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Proton’s Lumo AI chatbot: not end-to-end encrypted, not open source (pivot-to-ai.com)
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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It is e2ee -- with the LLM context window!

When you email someone outside Proton servers, doesn't the same thing happen anyway? But the LLM is on Proton servers, so what's the actual vulnerability?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

It is e2ee

It is not. Not in any meaningful way.

When you email someone outside Proton servers, doesn't the same thing happen anyway?

Yes it does.

But the LLM is on Proton servers, so what's the actual vulnerability?

Again, the issue is not the technology. The issue is deceptive marketing. Why doesn't their site clearly say what you say? Why use confusing technical terms most people won't understand and compare it to drive that is fully e2ee?

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 15 hours ago

It is deceptive. This thread is full of people who know enough to not be deceived and they think it should be obvious to everyone... but it's not.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Because this is highly nuanced technical hair splitting, which is not typically a good way to sell things.

Look, we need to agree to disagree here, because you are not changing your mind, but I don't see anything compelling here that's introduced a sliver of doubt for me. If anything, forcing me to look into it in detail makes me feel more OK with using it.

Whatever. Have a nice day.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

is not typically a good way to sell things.

Ah yes, telling the truth is not good for sales, therefore deception is ok.

Yeah, it seems we won't agree here. Have a nice day.