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Arguing about what is and isn't a genre is a bit pointless at the end of the day. Music is an evolving art form and bands can borrow from this that or the other genres to create an original sound.
This band clearly has some aspects of their sound that is idiomatic of metal, as well as a bunch of stuff that doesn't sound like metal.
It's fair of someone to call them a metal band if that's what they hear and connect to in the music.
Cool. So since genres are meaningless I can go write a country and western album tomorrow and if a handful of the songs have a drumbeat that sounds vaguely hip hop-ish I can market it as gangsta rap then... If anyone says "but Mr Gumb you're a white guy playing country music in your bedroom, that's not very gangsta" I can shriek at them about gatekeeping or condescendingly shame them for even attempting to assign a genre to what I do!
Wow, the future is amazing!!!
I can see a troll post coming: "Sleep Token is not new age indie electro pop, and saying so is not "gatekeeping"."
Doesn't really matter if it's metal or not to me. I'd rather artists make stuff that they want to make. Otherwise all we're left with is the most generic metal/other genres that have to sound like everything else in the genre.
Surely that's a worse future for music.
My friend, you're describing Post Malone.
But more to the point, genres are in the ear of the beholder. Anyone can have a personal opinion about what type of music is X or isn't X, but that doesn't get to override another person saying they think X is Y. Music is inherently subjective, genres are fluid and fundamentally just labels we use to say "this sound reminds me of that sound". You can think a person or group is ridiculous but there is no objective truths here, it's truly just your opinion versus their opinions it's an inherently unwinable discussion for anyone.
Respectfully, this is a angsty teenage type of wasted energy. Purity testing art is just a no win situation, worry less about the words others use to describe art and focus more on the fact that you're all enjoying different parts of the same artist.
Thanks, couldn't have said it better myself.
To add, there's so much overlap in musical techniques. If you hear half or double time drum changes in an electronic song the metal listener might think "oh this is a metal influence" while the jazz fan will say "oh nice, reminds me of double time swing in jazz".
The influence might have come to the artist from one genre or the other, but the listener decides what it reminds them of.
Ah, I see you've chosen the "condescendingly shame people for acknowledging genres even exist" route. Well played 👍
That is the wrong genre classification for my post. I suppose I have no choice but make my own thread complaining how other opinions aren't as nuanced as my own opinion of my opinion.