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[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I worry that poor execution or bad decision making is what will sink the progressive movement. People assume that Johnson's poor performance is due to inherent issues with democratic socialism, when in fact it he's just not good at his job. Not all progressives have the right disposition and skills to do great things - and if progressive voters can't or won't distinguish between policy and performance, then the movement is likely to fizzle out.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I worry that poor execution or bad decision making is what will sink the progressive movement. People assume that Johnson’s poor performance is due to inherent issues with democratic socialism, when in fact it he’s just not good at his job.

Exactly! It's why I'm not concerned with Mamdani based on what I've seen. He seems fairly level-headed, and he has a bit more governing experience than Johnson had.

Not all progressives have the right disposition and skills to do great things - and if progressive voters can’t or won’t distinguish between policy and performance, then the movement is likely to fizzle out.

We need to have the ability to self-criticize and be pragmatic. There's room for pragmatism without compromising core beliefs.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I dunno... The whole make buses free so they run faster is not well tethered to the reality of bus travel. It's stuff like that that makes me worried for Mamdani.

[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

To be clear, he is not saying that making them free will cause them to be faster. He is saying he will make them free and will also make them faster. Two different things

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of performance also depends on having the correct support in place, with a willingness and ability to quickly replace undermining elements.

[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Yes. He is building a movement that can be utilized once he is in office. The work doesn't end on election day, it starts.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I consider assembling the right team part of the leadership position. 🤷 If there are structural problems where a leader cannot remove underperforming or undermining team members, then success is unlikely.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 11 hours ago

Aren't council elected? I'm unfamiliar with Chicago electoralism and hiring/firing policies, but a difficult to remove person who talked one way and performed another is certainly problematic, whether it's intentional or not. At the end of the day, in capitalism, people will fight tooth and nail to stay in a job where they are not only under qualified without hope of proper support and training for themselves, and they're also outright miserable, because bills still need paying and homelessness and hunger are still criminalized.