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Gotta love this take on "shitting on".
You: "Endure" mild criticism of broadcasting your point of view 24×7 in every conceivable locale (to the point you're broadcasting it now in a group explicitly asking you not to do it).
We: Endure non-stop sexist comments, sexual advances, sexual assaults and, upon suggesting that perhaps this is not such a good idea, get dog-piled by men with hurt fee-fees, get doxxed, get threats of active sexual assault, and in extreme cases take beatings and even get murdered.
We are not the same. Our concerns are not the same. Don't be a putz and pretend they are.
Hey, I am genuinely sympathetic to your concerns, and there's no need to make it an attack. Moreover, I'm not supportive of people saying anything without regards of how it affects others - I genuinely despise people doing what you describe.
I'm only calling for basic ethics while you're at it - it's never a good idea to go after a certain extremely wide and diverse group of people (white men, in this case, but can be any other) and then restrict them from setting the record straight. Everyone has the right to stand up for themselves.
Without it, we get violent echo chambers that get more and more detached from reality, and also anger those that are targeted to no benefit, which is antithetical to a productive change.
Think of the manosphere bullshit that goes extremely violent, has absolutely nothing of valid substance and drowns any female voices. This is it. This is what you get over time if you ignore the other side.
And this is why male voices are going to spring up here - and women are gonna keep rightfully attacking the manosphere. No one needs the escalation of bullshit and angering that happens with it.
It's an intellectual exercise for you. It's reality for us
If you want to play with ethics the first fucking lesson you need to learn is they are not a bludgeon to beat people with on the internet claiming "I Am Morally Superior"
I am not, and it's not meant to be a lesson or exercise.
I'm saying this kind of violation, however it may be a manifestation of experience and lived emotions, may end up exacerbating the problem. Also, the lived experiences of harassment, abuse and manipulations are by no means exclusive to women, as many men will subscribe to. Still, generalizing it to women or men being bad would be a terrible and unproductive idea.
It can lead followers astray and set others against them, leading to useless kind of radicalization that leaves one side angry and with a lost sight of the issue, and the other repulsed and not set to participate and help build something better.
This is what happened to radicals of both sides. No one on the other side listens to them anymore. Radical feminist became a slur, despite the reasonable origins, and masculism's image has shifted from a movement for equality focused on men's part to mostly manosphere shitheads going for patriarchy that hurts everybody. Everyone's yelling, nothing productive gets done.
With all that said, I am genuinely sorry for what you experience, I have no intent to belittle it, and I do not allow men around me to behave the way you describe. This must be eliminated, and this is a big issue and danger still persisting in modern society.
Really not here to watch you furiously masturbate in endless paragraphs
Oh well, I knew it would end there.