Hi again mateys!
As most of you are probably aware, since the development of Lemvotes Lemmy votes are no longer private for users.
The way lemvotes works right now afaik, is it uses an admin level account to collect voting data from all federated instances, thus enabling the identification of every voter. This method effectively bypasses the guardrails the developers put in place to keep this info more restricted.
However, the developer of lemvotes has recently developed an "opt out" for instances that don't want their user data collected in this way. So now we have a choice of whether or not to continue. For total transparency, I asked the developer to create an opt out because I wanted to give our users the option to choose that path without defederating from the lemvotes instance.
I think there are (at least) two schools of thought on this topic, which I will attempt to succinctly summarize below:
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Votes should be kept private to users as they were only ever meant to be viewable by instance admins. Making votes public to everyone via lemvotes, when users have a reasonable expectation of privacy when it comes to voting, is a betrayal of user trust. It also leads to arguments and a lot of unnecessary drama, caused by users trawling though each others' vote histories.
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It's good that voting is transparent and that users have the same tools available as admins to conduct their own investigations into other users. This creates a level playing field and helps hold everyone accountable for their voting patterns.
So now you have some of the context, I'd like to ask our community what are your thoughts on lemvotes... is it a social good or a bad idea?
Personally, I quite like it from an admin perspective - it's a handy tool, and a pretty cool project. But I also have an expectation (mainly from other forms of social media) that users' votes should be kept private from other users, so I still think it's problematic from that perspective.
Proposal: To opt out of lemvotes, so that our users' voting data is kept (at least somewhat) private.
- To vote FOR the proposal to succeed, upvote the post.
- To vote AGAINST the proposal, downvote the post.
This will be a simple majority vote. Similar to the last governance topic, I have no clue what the instance sentiment is towards lemvotes, so let's find out! Feel free to add your comments below.
Interesting, I was wondering about that. If they were completely public by default it might make people more thoughtful about their voting in general.
They are public, and that doesn't stop anyone being insane. More transparently public might be good though.
Personally I think transparency is almost always good. Nobody is stopping you making an account for being a creep and a loser on, but that might earn you derision. I can see no compelling reason for hiding votes, there's this abstract "oh I can support true but unpopular positions" ok well for good causes secret support is pretty much worthless and if I might become a goose with a knife for a moment: What are these secret opinions of yours? Because as someone who occasionally looks at voting patterns it is always the conservative takes lmao.
Not just unpopular but also personally conflictual. You might want to just lurk for various reason. health concerns, pending life changes, personal issues. Or a comm that is local to you.
There are all sorts of things which as value-neutral ephemeral whims. Sometimes you vote based on agree/disagree, or based on the quality of the comment, or just based on your mood.
I can't understand your first paragraph.
You know your entire comment history is also public right? Voting isn't an agree disagree button, and even if it was. All non Nazi socmed is public, all endorsement in life except nonsense bougie spectacle is public.
Society doesn't fall apart because people can see you nodding along and hear you going "Good point" when talking to people.
It's all moot anyway, activitypub is public, everything you do is public and must be thought of as archived indefinitely. The only remotely "private" thing is PM and that's visible to any admin and any snooping infrastructure on the way.
So uhhh yeah, stick your head in the sand if you want but your votes are public to half the threadiverse lmao.
Lmao, so true!
It does to me. When I first joined the fediverse i was on kbin where votes were public and it made me think twice if something was truly downvote worthy then I got on fedia.io where downvotes were hidden and I caught myself downvoting more and more comments that I disliked or disagreed with wothout them being inherently "bad" coments. Then here I've been trying to be more concious of how I vote but, tbh, is kinda hard to keep my inner redditor under control when I think I can get away with it. A few days ago I learned about the lemvotes thing and that has reminded me of keeping my voting habits under controll, I know i should be mindfull of it regardless but is somewhat easier for me when someone might be watching.