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For a start, don't truncate what it says. I will reword your question.
"Do you believe that men who practice homosexuality are fairly categorised into the same group as the lawless and disobedient, the ungodly and sinners, the unholy and profane,those who strike their fathers and mothers,murderers, sexually immoral, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whoever else practices what is contrary to sound doctrine?"
In that case, the answer is yes.
You could reword it to say also "do I believe that liars belong in the same category as murderers". In which case, it depends on the context. Is murder as bad as lying? No. But are murder and lying both sinful? Yes.
To round it off,
James 2:10-11
Romans 6:23
Quoting that fallacy is fallacy in itself.
James 1:26-27
No it doesn't. That was in the levitical law and was for the jews of that time. The law has been fulfilled through Christ who stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman. (John 8:1-11)
There is. And that is that "there is no God". Which also naturally follows "There is no final judgement". And if there is no God, one could reason morality doesn't exist. It can and has resulted to cruel acts. Hate and evil knows no creed.
I try to live out the change that I want to see, and rebuke those who act unchristlike.
There was a fella a while ago who I presume was just racist. He joined our Christian group and identified as Christian. Then he started spouting absolute vile hatred against muslims and even boasted about harassing them. I took the stand in telling him that even though we see islam itself as a heresy, the way he was acting was not only unconstructive but unchristlike. I guess because I lead, the others joined in an were like "yeah, Flax is right". He eventually got so fed up that we were so "weak" that he renounced Christianity and left us.
We're starting to go in circles, so I'm gonna skip the bits we've already addressed.
One could argue that, but not well. Morality and theology are a venn diagram. Religious doctrine can be and often is a source of morality, just as well as it can be and often is a source of evil. The former is why near the start of this conversation I mentioned that if christians actually behaved as their book instructed, things would be still fucked, but better than they are today. In any case, you can find examples of atheists behaving both morally and immorally as well, the moral side showcases that the threat of hell or w/e isn't necessary for people to behave. We have an innate sense of empathy that is enough in itself to show that morality doesn't need some parent in the sky threatening us with an eternal spanking if we don't keep our hands and arms to ourselves. There are also atheists who are absolutely rancid examples of a human, who may act in all flavors of greed or malice etc, in the same way you'll see christians succumbing to those traits. The distinction -and this is the important bit- is that with christians there's an additional source of hatred coming from their handbook, which will embolden the negative traits in those who already have them, but also add negative traits to those who otherwise would not. You stand out as a prime example of the latter: chastising racism and living the positive elements of christianity to the best of your ability; but you opened your previous post by revealing a touch of darkness directed at homosexuals. Your religion compels you to look at that group with some degree of hatred- albeit not to the extent of the other entries on that list, but it's there. Were you not influenced by christianity, I have no reason to believe you'd be any less moral in the aspects of your life in which you appear to be solid role model; and being that you appear to be an otherwise accepting person, I am confident you'd be able to look to the LGBT community without that hatred.
Unless ofc you're only behaving morally under the threat of a spanking from sky-daddy... and if you need to be tricked into that kind of performative morality, then you're no better than the garbage end of the spectrum of atheists who act on that same greed or w/e without the fear of a sky spanking. Which, funny enough, is really similar to the cautionary tale of the Pharisees, which you appear to already familiar with. So far though, I don't suspect that's you: even considering the faults that come with your religion, you strike me as pretty admirable person overall, and the kind of person that I kicked this conversation off by lamenting at christians in general not being. My perception of religion would be very different if you were the norm.