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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (18 children)

You know what, you're right.

We should knock down the suburbs and use that land for sustainable energy generation, food production, or let it re-wild to support conservation efforts!

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (13 children)

I'd be with ya except for one tiny issue, living in high density housing sucks ass

Could we/should we condense suburbia down? Absolutely. Should we get rid of it entirely in favor of high density? Fuck no

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

High density, which in my opinion starts with mixed use apartment buildings have business underneath them on the ground floor, are way better than suburbs.

Mixed use allows for businesses to integrate with the community in literally the same footprint, which adds walkability and drives commerce. Plus, the more mixed use you have, the easier it is to have laborers live closer to their place of work, reducing commute time and costs while promoting more balanced lifestyles.

Obviously mixed use is one solution of many, but there are so many benefits to higher density living compared to suburbia.

Don't think we're in disagreement, btw

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

My issue is more on the "apartment building" aspects. Apartments suck, sharing walls/floors/ceiling with others sucks. Lots of apartments means lots of opportunity for just one apartment to get infested with something that will quickly spread to others even if they do nothing to attract said pests (e.g. keeping a really clean place)

Or just one dumbass flooding the place or a fire breaks out

Apartments also means constantly having to worry about being too loud or dealing with others who don't care

If there's a version of high density that also allows for Single Family Housing for those who want it, id be cool with that

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

I don't disagree with single family houses existing. I think they have their use, but they should reflect their actual cost. Suburbs right now don't pay for their roads or their transit.

High density shouldn't have to subsidise people who want low density. Likewise the suburbs shouldn't subsidise high density, but high density is far far less costly

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

If there’s a version of high density that also allows for Single Family Housing for those who want it, id be cool with that

It's called decent quality. All the problems you mentioned fall back on every corner being cut in our profit-driven societies. Just because you're in an apartment doesn't mean that ANY of that should ever happen. We somehow have giant buildings housing dozens or, rarely, hundreds of companies, and they have protective measures in place for fires and water damage.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

I think all of your complaints can similarly be made in suburbia. You may have a neighbor that's drunk, and plays music loud into the night. Someone may have bright flood lights that shine over their yard into yours. Someone may grow a certain plant that's invasive, and it travels by wind to your yard. The wood the neighbor 3 hours down installed attracts pests, which could make their way to your house, eventually. Someone could start a fire, and the wind carries it to the neighbors next door or next street over, like what we saw in California earlier this year.

While yes apartments mean we all live closer together, that doesn't mean people will be twats. People can be twats anywhere.

The solution to this obviously is to live more and more rurally so your impact is less and less to your neighbors. But that sounds antithetical to your beliefs. And no, regulating people's lives with HOAs isn't the solution. HOAs suck.

There is single family, high density housing. Explore your closest big city. The closest one to me is Chicago, where a lot of the northern neighborhoods have super dense, single family homes.

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