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“Fetterman?” one speaker yelled from a stage near the steps of City Hall.

“Jagoff!” protesters shouted back in unison.

“Fetterman?”

“Jagoff!”

in Fetterman’s case, it describes a politician who campaigned as a Bernie Sanders–loving populist and vowed to help Democrats advance their priorities past the party’s two obstructionists, Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin—only to reprise their roles once in Congress and cozy up with Republicans.

“He ran in the 2022 primaries against Joe Manchin, and now he’s become Joe Manchin,” says Mike Mikus, a longtime Democratic operative in Pennsylvania. “An unprincipled Manchin.”

He’s sided with Republicans on denying immigrants due process, voted to confirm a 2020 election denier to lead the Department of Justice, and approved a GOP budget that freed Trump to slash spending without oversight. His recent actions have enraged progressives, mystified colleagues, and alarmed former and current aides.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Brain damage, mayn. Pretty fkn obvious.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

One of my best friends has had multiple TBIs. She doesn't always make the best decisions, but she is still a good person with the same morals and core values she has always had.

In the case of Fetterman, I feel like you're really giving brain damage too much credit for his consistent willingness to do harm to other people.

Even other people with brain damage have spoken out against this guy.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/as-fellow-stroke-survivor-fetterman-disgusts-me-20341662.php

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

I mean, regardless of anecdote or how people feel, stroke survivors personalities shifting and becoming more selfish, conspiratorial, and hateful is a well known and documented medical phenomena. Like many such things, it happens in some cases and not others, and on a spectrum of impact.

I don't know if anyone, Fetterman included, knows for sure the truth.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The behavior that results following brain damage usually correlates with where the brain damage occurs.

To say that this would fully explain Fetterman is to pretend that there is a single imaginary area of the brain that works as a moral compass and his was completely wiped out following his stroke.

That's not to say he couldn't be more easily manipulated or persuaded by outside forces because of the brain damage.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With a stroke, the whole brain is being affected. It's a partial or complete lack of oxygen.

Everything is on the table.

https://www.stroke.org/en/help-and-support/resource-library/lets-talk-about-stroke/personality-changes

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Everything is on the table. Something like production of speech into meaning can be damaged following a stroke, so that somebody could very clearly write down what they want to say but lose the ability to verbally express the same words.

There is no single area of the brain that fully regulates or controls moral behavior. Even with global damage you would expect to see decreased functioning of several areas. You might expect randomness or inconsistencies in behavior, but this seems like a pretty consistent pattern for him. That's what makes it hard to believe brain damage is the full explanation.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You made a claim.

I made a scientific claim that counters yours with evidence from a trusted, scientific source.

Either cite a scientific source that directly states such a personality change cannot occur in this way from a stroke, or you're just arguing against science with vibes and feels and no one here needs to take you seriously.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

~~You're confusing personality and morality.~~ that's a shitty way to put that, sorry.

Those are two separate things.

I never argued that a personality change couldn't occur. Personality change in humans following a brain lesion from an injury is neuroscience 101.

That is not what this is.

I'm arguing that Fetterman's support of things that contradict who he (still to this day, claims to be) are harmful to the people he is supposed to represent should not be excused as simply a consequence of his stroke.

Edit: So this ended up making me interested in just looking more into the neuroscience of morality.

Damage to the prefrontal cortex is associated with an increase in utilitarian moral judgements. Damage to the prefrontal cortex increases utilitarian moral judgements(2008)

Damage to the amygdala (vs frontal) actually seemed to cause a breakdown of utilitarian moral behavior Breakdown of utilitarian moral judgement after basolateral amygdala damage

Here, in humans with selective bilateral BLA damage, we show breakdown in outcome-based sacrificial moral judgements. Across dilemmas, healthy control subjects routinely opt for sacrifice, but BLA-damaged subjects rarely select the sacrificial option, even when thousands of lives can be saved. Our data suggest that value-based decisions to sacrifice another human for “the greater good” critically depend on the BLA.

Participants with hippocampal damage were also less likely to choose the utilitarian option Hippocampal Damage Increases Deontological Responses during Moral Decision Making

We found that the patients approved of the utilitarian options significantly less often than control participants, favoring instead deontological responses—rejecting actions that harm even one person. Thus, patients with hippocampal damage have a strikingly opposite approach to moral decision making than vmPFC-lesioned patients.

Conversely, this 2022 paper found brain damage itself is not a significant predictor: Intact moral decision-making in adults with moderate-severe traumatic brain injury

Our results suggest that moral decision-making ability is not uniformly impaired following TBI. Rather, neuroanatomical (lesion location) and demographic (age at injury) characteristics may be more predictive of a disruption in moral decision-making than TBI diagnosis or injury severity alone. These results inform the neurobiology of moral decision-making and have implications for characterizing patterns of spared and impaired cognitive abilities in TBI.

A 2025 study looking at both frontal and non frontal brain damage found that individuals with brain damage did indeed seem to make incorrect judgments about intention and blame worthyness and we're more likely to be punitive to an antagonist in scenarios they were presented compared to healthy controls. They also found in that in this scenario moral judgment ratings did not differ between frontal and non‐frontal lobe damage (but note a small sample size of frontal lobe damage). Impact of brain damage on moral judgment

This wasn't a study of brain damage, but really interesting in terms of difference in morality networks of conservative vs liberals:

Moral reasoning displays characteristic patterns in the brain, with distinctions between moral categories

They discovered that a general network of brain regions was involved in judging moral violations, like cheating on a test, in contrast with mere social norm violations, such as drinking coffee with a spoon. What’s more, the network’s topography overlapped strikingly with the brain regions involved in theory of mind. However, distinct activity patterns emerged at finer resolution, suggesting that the brain processes different moral issues along different pathways, supporting a pluralist view of moral reasoning. The results, published in Nature Human Behaviour, even reveal differences between how liberals and conservatives evaluate a given moral issue.

Mounting evidence from survey and behavioral experiments suggests that liberals (progressives) are more sensitive to the categories of care/harm and fairness/cheating, which primarily protect the rights and freedoms of individuals. Conservatives, in contrast, place greater emphasis on the loyalty/betrayal, authority/subversion, and sanctity/degradation categories, which generally operate at the group level.

“Indeed, our results provide evidence at the neurological level that liberals and conservatives have complex differential neural responses when judging moral foundations,” Weber explained. That means individuals at different points along the political spectrum likely emphasize completely different values when evaluating a particular issue.

If it could be shown that following his stroke and recovery, his brain for example re-wired to function in a morally conservative way, it would makes him less culpable for his actions, but it also raises an interesting question. If voters elected a Democrat who then "became a conservative," should he have considered stepped down because he could no longer represent the people that elected him?

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Still don't see any sources for any of these claims.

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