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[–] notsure@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago (16 children)

...the Native Americans had 9 genders, we are just continuing our white steamrolling over their land and beliefs...

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (10 children)

It’s important to talk about tribes and not just generalize to “Native Americans.” It’s like talking about “European” culture and implying that the French have the same culture as the Italians. Plains Indian culture ≠ Pueblo culture ≠ Salish culture ≠ Alaskan indigenous culture ≠ etc. Any generalization that flattens these groups to “Native American” is dicey at best.

The Zuni have lhamana, like We’wha. The Choctaw and Chickasaw have hatukiklanna/hatukholba (pronounced/spelled slightly differently but closely related). The Cherokee have asegi. I’m just listing off the ones I know off the top of my head; research the tribes local to your neck of the woods and learn about what they have.

Like I’m really mystified as to where your 9 is coming from. Also “had” - native Americans are still here ya know.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

With regards to culture, those generalizatios don't work at all. If you're talking about how white people treated them as one big group, then that makes more sense, but treatment did still vary a bit.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah - even in terms of “how white people treated them” there’s the idea of the “Five Civilized Tribes.” A Cherokee might be recognized as at least somewhat human, while an Apache as something to be shot on sight.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, some Cherokee even started owning slaves on their farms. Then a ton of them were very illegally kicked off by Andrew Jackson because the land had gold iirc. Didn't matter how white they behaved, still got thrown aside as soon as they were an inconvenience. Which is something that all non straight white male conservatives should have realized a long time ago

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, there’s a long and bitter history of the descendants of those slaves getting tribal membership.

In very recent good news, the Muskogee freedmen just won their tribal memberships as well. IIRC, the Muskogee freedmen still have some unique dialects - me and a buddy threw around the idea of doing some documentation/research on it back in college.

Native American slavery wasn’t always the same sort of chattel slavery practiced by white Americans - intermarriage was a bit more common and the boundaries were often (if not always) fuzzier.

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