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It’s important to talk about tribes and not just generalize to “Native Americans.” It’s like talking about “European” culture and implying that the French have the same culture as the Italians. Plains Indian culture ≠ Pueblo culture ≠ Salish culture ≠ Alaskan indigenous culture ≠ etc. Any generalization that flattens these groups to “Native American” is dicey at best.
The Zuni have lhamana, like We’wha. The Choctaw and Chickasaw have hatukiklanna/hatukholba (pronounced/spelled slightly differently but closely related). The Cherokee have asegi. I’m just listing off the ones I know off the top of my head; research the tribes local to your neck of the woods and learn about what they have.
Like I’m really mystified as to where your 9 is coming from. Also “had” - native Americans are still here ya know.
With regards to culture, those generalizatios don't work at all. If you're talking about how white people treated them as one big group, then that makes more sense, but treatment did still vary a bit.
Yeah - even in terms of “how white people treated them” there’s the idea of the “Five Civilized Tribes.” A Cherokee might be recognized as at least somewhat human, while an Apache as something to be shot on sight.
Yeah, some Cherokee even started owning slaves on their farms. Then a ton of them were very illegally kicked off by Andrew Jackson because the land had gold iirc. Didn't matter how white they behaved, still got thrown aside as soon as they were an inconvenience. Which is something that all non straight white male conservatives should have realized a long time ago
Yeah, there’s a long and bitter history of the descendants of those slaves getting tribal membership.
In very recent good news, the Muskogee freedmen just won their tribal memberships as well. IIRC, the Muskogee freedmen still have some unique dialects - me and a buddy threw around the idea of doing some documentation/research on it back in college.
Native American slavery wasn’t always the same sort of chattel slavery practiced by white Americans - intermarriage was a bit more common and the boundaries were often (if not always) fuzzier.
That's a nice comment, good information.
But like, the reason he generalises is probably because of the massive destruction of indigenous American culture that was perpetuated by European colonialism.
Thus we are very ignorant of all of the cultures. Which saddens me greatly. (I love shows and movies which use the native languages and portray the cultures when they're actually done well. I wonder how right they got the Kanien'kéha language that they're supposedly speaking as Mohawks, you can hear some in This clip - weirdly to me it sounds sort of like garbled and nasal Estonian being spoken for some reason)
You make a perfectly reasonable comparison that people rarely generalise to such a degree when it comes to Europe. But had like 95% of the culture and people's been erased and forcefully surpressed, then I think people would generalise to an extent. Not that it makes it okay in any way, just saying that ignorance is the cause of such generalisations usually.
Which is why comments like yours are so great, bringing the info that we haven't found (or even looked for.)
So keep up the good work! Thanks
I’m just really wary of the idea that indigenous people are “extinct” - the idea that their cultures are unknowable. The sentence “Native Americans had nine genders” is functionally meaningless.
Maybe it’s because I grew up going to powwows, but there still are separate and distinct cultures. A lot does get mixed in - fancy dance is a pan-Indian thing, for example, but there are still things specific to tribes, like the Seminole and their stomp dancing.
Native people are very much alive - Star Wars has been dubbed into Navajo, the state of Oklahoma just started graduating Cherokee teachers, the Choctaw nation has put out an app (I’d be legally Choctaw if my mom hadn’t lied about my dad lol). Heck, I am craving an alligator po’ boy from the Chickasaw cultural center right now!
Oh one more question.
I don't know if you speak Cherokee or know what it's supposed to sound like, but as I have no reference point, i trust your perception more in this. The clip I linked, do you think they got the language at all right?
Because sometimes I'll see big studios doing supposedly something in Finnish and it might just be garbled and then I'm like "really, with all the money you put into this you couldn't hire one fluent speaker?"
Cherokee and Kanyen’kéha are both in the same language family, but not the same language, so it probably wouldn’t help even if I knew Cherokee. But here is an interesting article about the language use in that clip.
Cherokee is common enough in parts of Oklahoma that there is street signage in Cherokee. It’s all over Tahlequah. Apple Maps will display town names in the Cherokee alphabet when you are in that area.
I was not aware. Thought it was worse. You've restored some faith in me. Thank you.
Also thank you for the article.
And a somewhat unrelated question, have you watched "Resident Alien"? They don't use natives languages but I like the show.
Oh sure, I believe that, and hope that there is enough people of all different native American cultures that they should all be preserved.
But what the cultures didn't get is a chance to develop naturally.
Whilst the people are still alive and traditions and languages have been preserved from extinction, I dare say that if there were a hundred million more speakers of all indigenous American languages, they'd see more evolution than they do now.
It just seems that lots of indigenous cultures are sort of only "preserved". We have indigenous Sami people in Finland, but aside from like a few very general things, I'm not too well informed of their culture either. And I live in the same country. And it's not even a huge country.
My point being that I hate this monoculture of fear we have around the world.
I should like to some day see more of your cultures revitalised. And with projects like you mention, I believe it can happen. I even tried taking some language lessons but duolingo didn't have the pronunciation, no speakers for idk was it Cherokee that I checked perhaps.
But yeah Disney and Marvel get a lot of shit but I love how What If is a platform suited for something just like that.
I also really enjoy realistic portrayals of history like in 1883 and 1923. I dislike when they don't actually use the language they're depicting.
Annoying that America is very much off limits as a tourist destination currently, especially for someone with my social media lol. But I've got the Internet so that's fine