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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 126 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (41 children)

“What do you mean you work more hours than us for less in return? Doesn’t your king fear a revolt?”

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (32 children)

We get less of a percentage of our work, but certainly get more absolute value.

The gains in efficiency over the last hundred years have been insane. Today's crumbs are better than the whole cookie back then.

No more dirt floors, indoor plumbing, electricity, books, etc.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (8 children)

i ... don't really think that "dirt floors" inherently are a problem. sanitation back then sucked but mostly for the cities between 1500 - 1800, because before then big cities weren't much of a thing and after that soap was invented. idk, maybe i am off about this. correct me if i am wrong.

(btw, does anybody know about the sanitary situation in ancient roman cities?)

but i agree with you.

The gains in efficiency over the last hundred years have been insane. Today’s crumbs are better than the whole cookie back then.

Last time i went to the supermarket, i paid 18€ for a whole bag of food. it was more than enough for a whole day. When i thought how much i had to work for it to pay for it all, it's like 1.5 hours in total. That is not much. And the food is top quality. No toxins, rather fresh, very nutritious and very convenient to get everything in one place.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The other thing is that we're both using devices that the most powerful people in the world would have absolutely no possibility of using anything close to as recently as 100 years ago. So it's not just efficiency gains, but fundamental gains in what's even available.

There's a point in time where the amount of spices I have in my pantry would be enough to count me amongst the wealthy. Hell, dinner tonight would have made a king blush with how much pepper I used.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So it’s not just efficiency gains, but fundamental gains in what’s even available.

If you're talking about computers, computers were available in 1900, just that it was actually women (mostly) in an office doing the maths by hand.

Similar to the "AI" meme comment - "Actually Indians"

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

:) that's why I referred to available technology, not the word. "Computers" were available, both as people and as semi-algorithmic adding machines, but the speed, capabilities and operating principles were different to a degree that the only similarities are a name and an abstract mathematical model.

Although picturing the brigades of women with adding machines occasionally sending a telegram to create a 1900s Internet is amusing.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

we're both using devices that the most powerful people in the world would have absolutely no possibility of using anything close to as recently as 100 years ago.

Hell, even 30 years ago

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