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when i first heard about the male loneliness epidemic i was like oh yeah close camaraderie and bonding between men is often discouraged in favor of competition or, if not discouraged, at least filtered through a lens of individualism that precludes deep connections. and then i learned what people meant by it (men arent getting laid) to which i say skill issue

to all the men out there not getting laid: try less hard to get laid and try more hard to be an enjoyable and relaxing presence

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

If you don’t believe in free will then what is the point of disputing or chastising any claim? Why would consequences even matter if they are already pre-determined by circumstance or a higher power?

Because suffering, pleasure, and conscious beings are at stake? I'm confused about what you think of the moral implications of not believing in free will actually is. It sounds like you place all meaning on choice/will or something. I don't do that. I care about people's happiness and well being, not their will (at least not intrinsically).

Maybe that’s because women are better at communication and thus are more likely not seek emotional support from friends instead of seeking codependency with a partner.

"better at" is this some sort of team sports competition? Yeah, some groups of people are better at certain things. Is there a reason you hang on that point in particular? I hear this point a lot and I don't know if when I hear it they're saying it as some kind of dunk on men or they're making some kind of constructive contribution/suggestion without explicitly saying it. So you'll need to clarify.

What is the actual difference between romantic loneliness and loneliness…kinda just sounds like you’re defining it as sex plus codependency.

I mean, when it comes to sex and relation with romance, its about physical touch, associating physical release with another human being, another person's pleasure becoming your own. etc.

"Codependency"? If you are entirely cynical perhaps. The term is interdependence. When you romantically bond with someone deeply, you generally become deeply dependent on them and they become dependent on you. And yeah, sex is going to bond you way way stronger to a person.

Eh… Based on our previous conversation you appear to be harboring some unhealthy opinions.

You'll need to be a little more specific. I already know I'm mentally unwell.

It’s not just embarrassing… It’s admitting to immaturity and an inability to process your emotions, and then treating someone poorly because of it. So what, you didn’t get something you wanted, that’s life. There’s no reason then to lash out at your coworker by avoiding them, just because they had the audacity to be attractive.

I did not treat them poorly. They had no idea I was avoiding them. I was polite and professional when I had to interact.

I did not lash out. I was avoiding psychological pain. That's it. I did not hold anything against them individually. Seeing them made me cripplingly and dysfunctionally sad, but they did not know that. Shit if they had seen how sad they made me they'd probably assume I was being emotionally manipulative. There would be no benefit to them interacting with that, I had no desire to make them feel guilty and I had no desire to feel cripplingly sad if it could be avoided.

I think that's a pretty mature and reasonable way to handle things. I'm not sure exactly what your alternative would have been.

You were avoiding confronting your emotional immaturity.

I think I confronted my emotions and decided the best way to handle them was to avoid making them worse and focus on other things and other people as best as I could. How is that immature?

I have empathy… it’s just for your coworker, who did nothing wrong and was treated differently just because she didn’t reciprocate your feelings.

Yeah I'm aware you're real sad for them. I promise you they're almost certainly happier today than I am. I would bet money. And she was never ever even aware of my internal feelings, other than at one point I asked her out and she politely rejected me.

You don’t have to be her work friend, just don’t treat her differently than everyone else because she’s an attractive woman.

You treat people differently based on their appearance all the time. Everyone does. You are probably just less conscious about it.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Because suffering, pleasure, and conscious beings are at stake?

And if free will does not exist does your opinion on the matter have any effect on the predetermined outcome?

sounds like you place all meaning on choice/will or something. I don't do that. I care about people's happiness and well being, not their will (at least not intrinsically).

Most forms of determinism believe that people's happiness and well being are predetermined and our opinions about their feelings has no effect on how they feel.

I'm wondering if you actually understand the philosophical concept of determinism?

hear it they're saying it as some kind of dunk on men or they're making some kind of constructive contribution/suggestion without explicitly saying it. So you'll need to clarify.

It's an alternative explanation detailing why there are less women on dating apps.

its about physical touch, associating physical release with another human being, another person's pleasure becoming your own. etc.

So sex..... Just like the original post claimed. This is about sex.

The term is interdependence. When you romantically bond with someone deeply, you generally become deeply dependent on them and they become dependent on you. And yeah, sex is going to bond you way way stronger to a person.

Again.... This all started because the of post claimed people identifying themselves as belonging to "the male loneliness epidemic" was really men complaining about not having sex. That's what got everbodys panties in a twist, and the deeper we dive into the denial of the claim, the more it seems to be true.

You don't seem to just want to be more social, you seem to be mostly complaining about women withholding a sexual or romantic relationship from you.

You'll need to be a little more specific.I already know I'm mentally unwell.

You seem to lack healthy coping skills when you don't get what you feel you're entitled too. You seem to reaching out for someone or something to blame for this lack of coping skills. You also seem to adopt an attitude of morose self deprecation as a defense against any form of criticism. Attempting to redirect the criticism by utilizing guilt as a redirection, aka the pity fallacy or sometime pityfishing.

They had no idea I was avoiding them. I was polite and professional when I had to interact.

You know you chose to avoid them.... You have no idea if they knew or not, I don't imagine reading social cue is probably a specialty of yours.

I was avoiding psychological pain. That's it. I did not hold anything against them individually. Seeing them made me cripplingly and dysfunctionally sad, but they did not know that.

You don't sense that might be problematic? Avoidance is not a healthy coping skill. Neither is being in pain because someone is attractive. There are attractive people everywhere, are you in constant crippling emotional pain? Or did that pain really come from being denied something you secretly feel you are entitled to?

confronted my emotions and decided the best way to handle them was to avoid

Avoiding emotions is pretty different than confronting them.

aware you're real sad for them. I promise you they're almost certainly happier today than I am. I would bet money.

Empathy doesn't equate to pity. Again you are pityfishing.

You treat people differently based on their appearance all the time. Everyone does. You are probably just less conscious about it.

I don't really think I do, it would negatively effect my work. Plus, even if I did, there's a matter of scale. I'm not running away or avoiding people based on their looks.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Just letting you know I'm leaving work from home now meaning I wont have access to this account. If you respond I'll respond Monday morning.

Despite the seeming hostility and intense disagreement here I don't hold anything against you. I look forward to reading what you have to say. I genuinely enjoy the discourse.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 1 points 19 hours ago

Despite the seeming hostility and intense disagreement here I don't hold anything against you.

Same, be safe, have a good weekend.

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