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[–] modestmeme@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Ha ha sure, 200 years of Industrial Revolution but it’s the “boomers” fault.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

50% of fossil carbon has been released in the last 30 years.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

So it was gen z who did it then.

Do you not listen to yourself how moronic that argument is?

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago

Hi shit for brains. I was replying to a comment about the industrial revolution beginning 200 years ago. I wasn't making a comment on gen z or baby boomers. I was pointing out that the people alive today are the ones responsible for climate change - not the people who lived over a hundred years ago. Bless you, I hope you have a great day.

[–] modestmeme@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is wrong. It’s 20-25%. And the last 50 years includes a whole bunch on non-boomers and a massive industrialization of Asia. WTF is up with you people and “boomers”? There’s always going to be old people. And all of them were formerly young people.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

I didn't say a word about boomers, I was replying to a post about the industrial revolution and 200 years ago.

But to get back to my point, in 1993 the cumulative emissions were 861 billion tons and in 2023 it was 1770 billion tons. So almost perfectly doubled in 30 years.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-region?stackMode=absolute&time=1993..latest

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

'Boomers' as a term originated as, and is actually specific to American Baby Boomers.

The generation that lived through the most anomalous economic boom in US history, assumed that was actually normal, and consistently voted as a general block to ensure (among many other stupid things) that the climate would be destroyed for their grandchildren, children, and deliciously ironically, even themselves as they are now all set to retire....

... all when they had a disproportional amount of actual wealth, social power, thus ability to avert this, thus collective general responsibility for not doing so.

That is how any history books not written by Boomers will summarize this.

[–] modestmeme@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Two questions: 1) Who you gonna blame when they’re all dead and 2) What are other, apparently superior “generations”, en masse, doing to realize a better world?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)
  1. Them, still, because they are the ones who did the things.

This is like asking if I am still going to be blaming Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor, Andrew Jackson for the Trail of Tears.

  1. Well for example, Gen Z and Millenials have been, collectively, much more concerned about climate change and trying to have their voices heard, but the Boomers have also destroyed both the US Political System/Government and also Economy, and you... can't really socially act from a position of little to no social power.

Your framing of this question does two things:

It misses the point that climate change is a time sensitive issue with a window for being able to address it. That window is largely passed now, now we are in the stage of 'how do we mitigate/survive this' instead of 'how do we prevent this'.

And this is also victim blaming. Hey I burned down your house, why are you homeless, what are YOU doing to solve YOUR problem?

[–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Then why did gen z males vote for Trump?

[–] modestmeme@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

The generational level of “concern” can be measured in voter turnout data. It isn’t very good.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It's survivorship bias. The folks who survived from 1946 to 2025 were in the economic cohort with the least stress, the most accumulated wealth, and the most egregious consumption habits. Can't blame all the Americans who died of black lung in the coal fields or were left destitute after midwestern industrialization or got wiped out during the AIDS epidemic or from heart disease or smoker's lung or COVID or the 40k car fatalities/year, cause they're not around anymore.

Safe to assume anyone still around does, in fact, carry a disproportionate share of the blame.

[–] 0ndead 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This. Modern climate change wasn’t really understood until the 70s.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

While partially true, we have known that greenhouse gasses contributed to climate change since the 19th century:

In the late 19th century, scientists first argued that human emissions of greenhouse gases could change Earth's energy balance and climate. The existence of the greenhouse effect, while not named as such, was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier. The argument and the evidence were further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838. In 1856 Eunice Newton Foote demonstrated that the warming effect of the sun is greater for air with water vapour than for dry air, and the effect is even greater with carbon dioxide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science

It is true, however, that our knowledge greatly increased in the 1960s and 70s.