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Fediverse vs Disinformation

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Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.


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  1. No disinformation
  2. Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (8 children)

WSJ is just rich people propaganda.

[–] FundMECFS@quokk.au 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Same as Economist and Financial Times

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Actually, forbes is so bad I want to mention this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/prakashdolsak/2023/05/01/why-blowing-up-pipelines-will-not-solve-the-climate-crisis/?ctpv=searchpage
It's clearly written by a guy who didn't read the book.

One of the first points made is that the public doesn't support disruption. No shit, I don't think people supported the suffragettes' disruption, but that got women their rights.

Some might argue that violence against property is different from violence against people, and property violence against corporations is different from say burning down the home of an individual. We disagree. The modern corporation’s functional logic is to pool resources from shareholders (both individuals and institutional investors such as pension funds) and use them to run a business. Eventually, violence against corporations is an attack on the livelihood and financial security of people whose assets the corporation manages.

Won't someone please think of the poor shareholders!

The risk-return trade-off is a part of the bargain shareholders strike with corporations. And if shareholders consider corporate actions or inaction to be harmful, they can use economic and legal mechanisms such as shareholders’ vote or even divest.

One problem with this, the shareholders make money from harmful actions, and actively encourage them.

What if property violence against corporations hurts the livelihood of impoverished communities? There is widespread poverty in many fossil fuel communities. They often view climate change as an elite issue favored by a predominantly urban climate movement. Might these communities view violence against fossil fuel infrastructure as an attack on their livelihood—on their very existence?

Even lesser actions such as transportation disruption can invite a backlash from affected parties. Consider the incident in London in 2019: “as XR began a second two-week mass mobilization in London, one local branch staged an action in Canning Town, a predominantly Black and Asian working-class neighborhood, in which several XR members clambered onto a subway car, preventing the train from leaving. Commuters dragged the protesters down onto the platform and beat them.”

These points show nothing except that the writer didn't read the book. The XR train protest was severly critised by the author, and the author addresses poorer people who depend on fossil fuels.

This is all very fitting, because the author of the book calls forbes a billionaire rag in the book.

Listening to the FT's podcast Swamp Notes was infuriating. I get who your audience is, but if you're going to have the guy from the center right think tank on and the establishment technocratic reporter talking with him, at least have some progressive on to defend his views.

The worst part is how they infantalize him and his views.

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