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[–] megopie@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

don’t need to break the law to seriously gum up an organization.

And what good is playing by the spirit of the law, or maintaining political norms, when it’s been made very clear that no one else is going to.

If the option is to maintain a needlessly immigration cruel system, or let it rot on the vine. Let it rot on the vine and salt the earth under it.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's actually one of the significant problems that came about during his admin: If you just let ICE "rot on the vine" (which was more or less what was happening, not even because of anything Biden did but just some additional factors in the world), then they keep arresting people but just keep them in increasingly overcrowded and shitty conditions. Which was precisely what happened. It was a fucking nightmare for anyone in detention, and some people died.

This just overall sounds like you have no idea how things work and are making sweeping proclamations about how easy things would be.

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Use the over crowded conditions and illegal behavior to fire staff from the organization, then don’t rehire replacements.

Direct them to stop arresting people. Divert internal funds to other things. Cut off their access to information to arrest prople.

A million things they could have done to rot the organization and diminish it’s capability to inflict cruelty.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okey dokey. If I ever make a simulator that lets you step into a political organization (like Sim City) and try various theories about how to make changes and what's going to happen as a result, I'll be sure to include this scenario, and I'll send you a link so you can give it a shot.

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago

Well, clearly, the strategy of rebuilding and reinforcing the system, in hopes that it would diffuse the right’s ability to campaign on immigration issues didn’t work.

Clearly the plan of playing respectability politics and hoping the right comes back to the table for “bipartisan reforms” didn’t work.

The democratic party establishment can keep claiming that they’re all about responsible governance, sensible strategy and practical methods, but if it keeps failing, is it really sensible, practical and reasonable? We can blame Harris’s consultants for leading her astray during the campaign, but it was Harris her self who adopted the strategy of leaning in to immigration policy as her big thing as VP.