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[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 12 points 2 days ago (29 children)

I can't help but feel we're in the "I have suddenly agreed this is bad now because it's a guy I don't like doing it" phase of politics.

I mean, sure, I like that resistance to the genocide is growing, but that's not enduring. The matter of the fact is there were a lot of people who were fine with this shit back when Joe did it, and who will likely pretend it suddenly stopped if a blue president makes office in the future. This is political convenience.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I mean you're not wrong. Every single person in American politics, with a handful of scattered exceptions, has been in favor of Israel's genocide for decades.

It's not because it was Joe doing it, though. They're just fine with pretty much all of it, pretty much all of them. But yes, they (along with a bunch of European governments) are all of a sudden pretending they discovered it's a big huge problem and they're extremely concerned, when the starvation has been going on for months and the broader genocide project for a lot longer than that. The newspapers are confused about it (or pretending to be, on purpose), and have just now worked themselves around now that it's fully undeniable, but these guys have intelligence agencies and they're not naive, I can't believe that they are equally ignorant about it.

And yes, they'll go back to not caring in the slightest once it slips out of the news cycle in a might-hurt-me-in-the-election type of way again.

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think in many ways it’s a matter of poltical survival and optics. Many politicians were terrified that it would be political suicide to say anything negative, to give any notion that they weren’t “supporting an alley”. They were targeted directly by propaganda campaigns to convince them that what was going on was good and that the public and media were on board. Convinced that important media outlets could dogpile and demolish their public support if they did anything to go against the consensus.

But the propaganda campaign has failed to convince significant segments of the public, and media pushing it is actually hurting its credibility and viewership. Finally politicians are realizing that the threat of political destruction over the issue is largely non-existent and that there is actual public good will to be earned.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah.

For one thing, public opinion really is changing, and just like for the Iraq War or the attitude towards police in the country, the people who are behind the curve are totally lost as to how things are shifting, and just assume they're in the majority as they've always been. You don't know what you don't know.

One of the absolutely predictable failure modes of propaganda-driven empires is that the stuff that gets generated to get printed in the papers to fool the proles, winds up getting read by the leaders, and fools them too. I don't get how people are accusing the Democrats of losing votes on purpose in the election because they love Israel. I think they (almost all of them, certainly the DNC segment) are absolutely convinced that it's a tiny scattered handful of people who are "antisemitic" or whatever, and most people support what they're doing, and so of course they're going to stand behind our wonderful ally Israel, although they're upset about civilian casualties during the war as anybody would be.

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