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Genuinely, who keeps posting shit like this on here? I keep seeing posts such as this one and it's honestly pushing me away from Lemmy. Why spend time on a platform that hates me? If being a man who didn't date (because of social anxiety, btw, not that you'd care, since clearly men are by default fascists, according to some comments here) is a sin, let us know on the front page, so that me and others like myself can avoid this place.
A lot of comments are, thankfully, calling this shitty behaviour out. But then I look at the post itself, which has 696 upvotes and 166 downvotes, and I'm like... I'm not wanted here.
It's no better anywhere. I bet the same people who post this shit also bitch and moan about men staying away from leftist spaces. I am liberal, but I don't kid myself about what these people think of me.
Do you mind if I ask who you mean by "these people"?
pseudo-"leftist" take generators who make up shit to mock & deride for clout, perhaps
And this group makes up a relevant portion of leftist spaces?
I mean I don't think the person is really accusing all men, or even lonely men of this, just those who self identify as belonging to a "male loneliness epidemic" a term that's often utilized by alt right influencers.
for deplorable American values of ❝leftist,❞ yes, not sure where you've been the last few years assuming you're genuinely asking.
Lol, as opposed to Lemmy....where everyone has actual leftist values, until you mention feminism.
We have several threads about this. Reddit several subs that crawl with shit like this.
Do you think it's completely baseless? I mean there's people like Andrew tate with millions of viewers who subscribe to this type of behavior. Do you think that the rebuttal outweighs the originating source?
I just don't even see why you would lump yourself in with the accused? Unless you are someone following someone like tate, why do you think they are talking about you?
ah, okay, so you weren't genuinely asking, you were being smug and baiting with gotchas. noted.
Lol, no it's an actual question. I don't really see any gotcha-like statements, just explaining my point of view.
Btw accusations aren't really a rebuttal. Good attempt though!
We don't lump ourselves in with the accused. The people accusing so often paint with such a broad brush that if it were directed at any demographic other than men, it would be immediately attacked for being racist/sexist/pick a sexuality phobic. But since it's attacking men, it gets a pass for some reason among left and center leaning media.
~45% of men aren't voting for the right, but they're getting attacked for the actions of those that did. If anyone speaks up against that, they get mocked for dating to say "not all men", as if standing up for yourself against baseless accusations is repulsive because we dared to have the same sewage equipment as some bad people. You can see it in this thread.
Is this a US thing? Are things this fucked up over there?
yes.
this country and its rotten culture are in terminal decline.
It's all over this thread. It's in the OP
People who self identify as being part of the male loneliness epidemic is a broad stroke? I very much doubt anyone who isn't chronically online even knows what that is...
By who....? No significant portion of society is making that claim, you are painting with a pretty broad stroke there.
What I see throughout the majority of this thread is people sharing your views. People making generalities against women or leftist and then accusing them of making false generalities.
Anytime someone makes a criticism of a male trait they instantly claim not all men, despite no one claiming that it applied to all men.
Many men come forward about being lonely and they get told exactly the bullshit that's in the OP. We're literally commenting on the proof behind what I'm saying and you're finding some way to try to deny it's happening.
I wasn't making generalities against women or left leaning people, if you read the words I actually wrote, instead of the strawman you wanted to attack, you'd see I mentioned there are a lot of attacks against men expressing this issue coming from those other groups. That's not painting any group anything. It's saying there's a breakdown in communication coming from those directions, not saying everyone there is the problem.
Do you not see the issue with calling it a male trait and then immediately trying to backpedal and claim you didn't mean all men?
No one is critical of men just being lonely..... They are critical when lonely men blame everyone else and then use it as an excuse to be assholes.
"Other groups", "from those directions"..... Being really specific there bud.
Not really, by in large the vast majority of violence is committed by males, that does not mean all males are violent. Nuance is a thing.....
I'm aware nuance is a thing. It's often left behind when attacking men for this shit. All men. Not just those who've decided to excuse their assholes behavior.
Like "hey people are getting shouted down for voicing a concern about this" and you run in and start shouting them down saying "no they're not".
You've dismissed their experience, without nuance, and providing a good example of the very behavior you claim is not happening.
Outside of some small groups of radical 2nd gen feminist, it's exceedingly rare for anyone to make a claim that includes all men.
I think people like yourself just like to conflate any valid criticism of certain groups or behavior of men as "all men".
If I claimed that the vast majority of alt right extremist groups are made up of men, how would you interpret that?
Disagreeing with someones over generalized claim and explaining exactly why...... totally silencing all men.
Lol, pretty sure I've gone in depth into exactly why I disagree with their claims. Just because you ignore anything that boo-boos your feelings doesn't mean I haven't made an honest attempt to explain my criticism.
My issue is with how its talked about and all the generalization of men. And I think the dialog around it feeds these boys to the likes of tate. These kids grow up hearing that man vs bear shit, being told their problems don't matter and that they are the root cause of all the world's problems. We basically are telling them that is where they belong.
Are you not doing the same thing with leftist?
No, they aren't. You're trying to be clever here but it's falling flat.
Lol, so they can generalize that left spaces don't want him there, but that's entirely different.....
Great rebuttal, a solid "not uhh".
Your "no u" wasn't worth much effort to rebut.
Lol, devolving to I'm rubber you're glue......
I literally just called you out for doing that, and you're doing it back to me. Again.
Being a leftist is a choice
So is being a misogynist.
Who is being a misogynist?
I say this in the gentlest possible way and with the sincere hope that everyone can end up where they best fit: go back to reddit and stop shitting in the pool here.
Nah, Lemmy is great. Especially if you enjoy dunking on incels.