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What does “means of production” even mean in 2025? It’s not like we all work in a shoe factory
Something that produces goods or services.
For example, a musician makes music as a service, and that music can be made into a commodity either with a packaged good such as a book of sheet music or a method of storing the music (a file or disc), or you can sell tickets to hear the music.
Im a condo superintendent, so I don’t really produce anything. I just look at your leaky roof, nod and call a guy.
You do provide a service though. Do the people who own the apartments actively do anything in particular that makes sense for them to own it completely?
Who do you think would have a more vested interest in running the apartments in a functional and efficient manner, the people maintaining the buildings or the people who see it as one of their many investment properties.
Socialism isn't just about what's fair, it's also about creating a more efficient system to distribute labour and resources.
So the condo association here is the 'means of production' since they're providing housing services. Ideally, it'd be owned by the workers (who would ideally also be condo owners) and they'd split any profits evenly.
Ah, Landlords aren't the evil capitalist class then. They're just a worker that owns the means of production and splits the profits evenly with themselves.
Maybe there's a terminology problem, but I thought each condo unit was individually owned? Like, if you've got a tower block, and everybody owns their own domicile within it, it's a condo, but if they're owned by a landlord and rented out, it's an apartment.
It was a tongue in cheek strawman or if you want to be fancy, a pedagogical tool.
If "providing housing" is a job/service/whatever produced by workers then I, as a theoretical landlord, own some means of production and split the profits with all of the workers: myself.
It seemed like a funny twist of words.
"My landlord is a worker"
"How do you know?"
"He said if anything breaks in the unit, he'll fix it"
"Has he fixed anything yet?"
"No, but that's beside the point"
Wrong, idiot.
And here I thought this wasn't Reddit
It's less "Not Reddit" every day, sadly
You do produce a lack of issue. Like there was an issue, then you make it not an issue.
What would be the means of production? I am uncertain.
The organization and tools involved in the job.
So for the condo super "owning the means" could be being part of co-op that manages the building.
I write software. The software that I write don't belong to me. The owner of the software I write makes money of it. It's "means of production" and the product itself simultaneously.
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