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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Yeah .... this isn't Israel's fault entirely.

We're all complicit in this genocide.

They'll be writing about this event in 50 years and asking why in the fuck the rest of the world just stood by and let a maniacal country just get away with all this. Not just allow them to do it but also fund, support and arm them to do all this.

Isreal is representative of just how depraved our world has become.

[–] Bassman27@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’m not taking the blame for this one it’s all IDF. A significant proportion of the general population have vocalised their disgust. At this point it’s those pulling the trigger and their bosses who are at fault. No one else wants this apart from the IDF

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most people (though probably less of a majority than you think) don't want this, but far too many are willing to indirectly fund it, arm it, defend it and suppress resistance to it through their governments. Like, a lot of this is happening with Westerners' tax money, and there are things that can be done beyond complain.

[–] Bassman27@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What can the average person do in this case other than protest?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago

If you're actually interested, you can look around here for non-drastic action most people in Western countries can take regarding Palestine. Also, there are various levels of civil disobedience methods that can be used to compel governments, especially local governments (a lot more can be done locally than you might think*), to act, and of course striking is always an option. Not that I'm telling you to suddenly become a full-time activist for Palestine; with the current state of the West these are things y'all should be doing anyway, with Palestine action simply another thing to demand from the government and the rich. The fact that there's no grassroots political infrastructure to respond to an actual genocide would be a problem even if said genocide wasn't happening.

*Since Israel can't trade with its immediate neighbors for obvious reasons, it relies pretty heavily on the international market and especially the West. This means that you can start as small as getting your local supermarket to stop stocking Israeli goods (or goods from easier-to-avoid complicit companies) and still get something done, and you might even inspire someone else to do the same.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We voted for pro israeli leaders sorry we still have a certsin degree of responssbility

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.4d2.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Focusing on the culpability of individual voters is just reputation-washing for Israel.

It's like stepping over massive fossil fuel companies to blame someone who put plastic wrap in the trash instead of the recycle bin. This is not how to get people to stay engaged with politics between elections, and actually work together to do something now, which is how individual voters can actually impact the situation. Don't instill hopelessness by focusing on the blame of those so far from direct culpability.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's like stepping over massive fossil fuel companies to blame someone who put plastic wrap in the trash instead of the recycle bin

It's like supporting those companies, voting for politicians who support them then deny your responsability for that. We are all responsible to certain degree. I never shifted the blame and i never said we are as bad as thr idf terrorists commiting the war crimes or the governments who are actually selling weapons to israel

actually work together to do something now

That's why i keep promoting bds

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.4d2.org 4 points 2 days ago

It's like supporting those companies, voting for politicians who support them then deny your responsability for that.

It really isn't, particularly for those of us who have been getting yelled at for doing exactly not that, and being told that not having full-throated support for Harris when we were specifically told that the campaign didn't need our support and locked out of speaking up. For those who have been told that our lack of support is why Trump got elected and Palestinians are being killed. Collapsing the entirety of electoral politics into "we voted for this" is harmfully reductive. We cannot keep telling ourselves that no matter what we do while working together, since the overall result was this it is our fault. It's literally ignoring the actions of political opponents to blame ourselves no matter the outcome.

Placing a blanket blame on voters for this is still just electoralism. Voting should be one political expression of many; reducing everything down to the outcome of an election--even if you're blaming just those who voted--doesn't build political movements.

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