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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And while the rent-a-scoots are pretty obnoxious at times

The only reason they're "obnoxious" to you is the lack of bicycle infrastructure in your city. Well, that, and maybe your innate inability to cope with change. They cause almost zero problems if there is a good infra supporting it, which basically means ubiquitous bike lanes and bike parking.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

The only reason they're "obnoxious" to you is the lack of bicycle infrastructure in your city.

Sorry, but that's a hard miss. I live in Turku, Finland, and even by Finnish standards our bicycle infra is honestly pretty amazing.

The reason their obnoxious has nothing to do with the scoots themselves, but the fact that you can't really regulated users that well, or at least capitalist companies aren't that motivated to regulate it too well, so you end up with teenagers riding 3 people to a scooter, while drunk. And "drunk" here is the way Finnish people get drunk.

Installing breathalysers wouldn't be cost effective because they're somewhat expensive and all the on-board gear breaks all the time.

They do have a reaction test at night, which I've found a good extra. Definitely couldn't do it blitzed out of your mind but after a few, yeah, easy. Then they also limit speeds to 16km/h at night which is pretty annoying when you're not actually drunk yourself and just want to get from one place to another.

But the worst things the kids do is is be extremely disrespectful while driving them and then — despite the purpose made parking places for them not 10 meters away — they crash their scoots like this at the front door of a supermarket:

I saw that. Politely told the gang of three who'd arrived on it that "that's not the proper place for it". They started whining like teenagers do, taking it as some threat to their masculinity. Started telling me they're gonna beat me. Yeah, right pencilnecks in front of security cams, bring on the slaps and then your daddies money after the court case, although the damages in Finland are much more moderate to like American cases. Also I think I honestly could've taken them, but I don't want a conviction for beating up teenagers.

(So I just took a photo reported in the app and they "warned him")

I'm a third generation taxi driver who chooses not to have a car, who utilises all public transport, especially those scoots, buses and my own ebike and literally the most exciting thing that's happened to me this year has been the opening of the new bus lines in my city. Our public transport was on some scale the best in Europe btw. I think it was the performance of the route guide,accuracy, and live bus locations on map you can check on your phone etc. Oh and not just once. Five times. Consecutive. https://www.foli.fi/en/news/f%C3%B6li-was-the-best-in-the-european-best-survey-for-the-fifth-time

I fucking love change man. Honestly starved for it.

What I don't like is kids being obnoxious with the new tech to the point that the tech is in danger of getting a bad image because of that, specifically.

So then the obnoxious nature of some hormonal douches (not all teens are irresponsible assholes and some non-teens are definitely still assholes but you know, generalising here) will slow down change.

Which I wouldn't like.