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Haven't seen F4. Thunderbolts was OK but a typical Marvel feeder movie where the story feels less important than setting up the sequel/next team up. Superman was a more interesting story but needed more room to breathe. It needed better editing and to slow down a bit.
I mean, they're superhero movies, so the bar is low. No ones expecting a deep experience and maybe I'm experiencing superhero fatigue but as an old fart, my bar is the Donner Superman movies and the Nolan Batman movies. Maybe I need to go into them with less expectations.
actually this is what I wanted. I to have just found the faire lacking. LIke by the time of avengers endgame it was mostly about seeing the end of the arc and I foolishly hoped doctor strange 2 would be the good one. Since I have not been watching anything some of the hype around superman seemed genuine and I thought about dipping intomodern faire. We have some credits we need to use but there is a chance we may go with something pre 2015.
Strange 2 would've been better if they left Sam Raimi alone to make it a proper horror movie. He clearly wanted to and with those 2 characters it could've been epic. But thats what I mean about marvel constantly making 'franchise' movies - everything has to 'lead in' to the next movie. I'd really like for them to make an actual movie thats good without the need to keep it PG and keep it focused on the wider arc. The MCU has become more and more like an increasingly predictable soap opera.
EDIT: when we left the cinema after Thunderbolts people were talking about the post credit scenes and F4 which kind of illustrates what I'm saying - shouldn't they be talking about the movie they just watched?
Superman is, IMO, a better movie because the story is a lot stronger but its not a truly great movie to me. The pacing felt really weird. But some of the shots of Supes flying in particular were really great and looked like a comic book come to life. I guess it was a promising start but flawed.