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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Because you can't prove what's inside your mind, and that's what a lot of sexual assault cases come down to.

She said and acted one way, but is saying after the fact that in her head she believed something else.

You can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt in that case.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (9 children)

But with cars passing the courthouse after the verdict honking in support of the players, and with the union for professional hockey players now advocating for the men’s return, what appears more likely, at least for now, is for the story that threatened to shake the foundations of a sport being forgotten as quickly as possible.

This is what happens all the time. This is why #metoo happened. And your take is why it won't stop any time soon.

Fuck the "boys will be boys" shit and start teaching them how to have self-control instead.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What part of any of this was boys will be boys?

What part of any of this was hockey related?

It's a problem with sex and consent and how consent is an impossible legal concept to prosecute except in obvious situations where it is actively revoked.

It's currently impossible for anyone to know they have the consent of their partner if the partner can always revoke it while saying nothing, or even while their partner is actively saying yes and then claiming duress later. If consent is impossible to know for sure, having sex is a huge legal liability for everyone participating.

That just isn't legally tenable as a situation unless the goal is literally to prevent everyone from having sex. That's a terrible idea, so the better options is to pick a different method of defining consent.

It may not be what some people want, but unless we want to change our legal system's requirement for "beyond a reasonable doubt" I don't see a better option.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What part of any of this was boys will be boys?

What part of any of this was hockey related?

Are those serious questions?

But [the case] also revealed the existence of a secret Hockey Canada fund, which the organization eventually admitted it had specifically created to pay settlements in sexual assault cases against players – apparently lifting the lid off a long-simmering culture of abuse and cover-ups extending far beyond the case at hand.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sexual assaults have been covered up by literally every organization that has ever had people in it. This isn't a sport issue, the Catholic Church has been doing it for thousands of years. Hell even families have covered up this kind of thing by paying people off for all of known history. Why are you surprised it exists anywhere? Fining people isn't going to stop that either, even if you started jailing executives from organizations if it happens all you would see is organizations shutting down, there's nothing they can do to prevent it 100% of the time no matter how much they "change their culture" .

So what's your solution? How do you prove something that happens only inside someone's mind?

You could video tape every single sexual encounter from start to finish, require both drug and alchohol tests prior to ensure competence, have the people involved make sworn statements before and every 5 minutes during, and it still wouldn't hold up if one party said they felt pressured because they thought the person would hurt them (physically, mentally, emotionally) outside the encounter if they didn't go through with it.

The system doesn't work.

So either sex has to stop entirely, people need to risk going to jail every time they have sex, or we need to change the system.

[–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's funny, I for one have never had to worry about going to jail after sex... Maybe it has to do with not getting friends to take turns on someone who wasn't even aware this could be a possibility, who knows.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

It's funny, I've never been shot or stabbed.

However if I check the news, there's going to be people that has happened to despite them not doing a damn thing but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I've also never been killed by a drunk driver.

Just because something hasn't happened to you yet doesn't make it impossible.

There are more than a few false sexual assault/rape cases that have occurred and later proven to be either malicious, or due to social pressure afterwards.

You might not be worried about going to jail after sex, but thats what each of those people likely thought too.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Ban sex, masturbation only, save the planet from ourselves /s.

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