Freedom of belief is not an absolute right, nor is it a suicide pact. You do not have to tolerate people who want to destroy you, even if they claim they want to destroy you because god told them so. The Paradox of Tolerance is in full effect; To protect tolerance ideologies that are intolerant must be controlled, suppressed, or destroyed. It doesn't matter if they're secular, religious, or a secret third thing. Christian Fascists don't get any kind of pass because they're a religion. The same goes for Wahhabism, Hindutva, and similar ideologies that do not play well with others.

Contrast with mainline Protestants, some Secular Islamic states, and prior tolerant Hindu governments that weren't hell bent on exterminating the Muslim and non-Hindu minority.

You have every right to believe whatever the fuck you want but when you turn it in to a political movement and start harming others you are responsible for your actions.

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[–] Othello@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

believe what you want but telling children they are gonna burn in hell if they dont obey you is abuse. i just cant be ok with that.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

To be fair a lot of Christian sects don't do this. I grew up in a conservative Christian household and was never told I was going to hell. I was told nobody goes to hell because Jesus already stopped that and to celebrate that I should be a good person. So your milage may vary depending on if your specific brand of Christianity is works righteousness or grace alone. The grace alone churches aren't typically nearly as bad. If you're ever at any political action and you see any sort of Christianity represented out there on your side it's always the grace alone types.

Not really defending religion overall, I personally am much more agnostic these days, but should be interesting for those who have never seen behind the curtain to have a peek sometime.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

im perfectly fine with that. although the former christian in me cringes at such blasphemy lol. its all made up anyway I just dont think thats the majority, it would be nice if it was.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's definitely regional. In the southern US it's all works righteousness people. But as you get north and coastal you get more grace alone types. Episcopalians, the more progressive Lutherans, all the Methodist reforming churches with pride flags on their signs, etc. They're usually not the ones bible thumping on TV or in the media though so unless you're in the region or grew up around it like I did it's definitely not what people think of when they think of religion

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

you may be right but i haven't spent too long out of either the south or my dads country (which is the kind of country where you have fire and brimstone speeches at weddings and high school graduations). I have a luthran pastor uncle and hes chill. it just doesn't feel like the majority, ill have to do more research later. if every christian was like that i would have no beef.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not blasphemy, evangelicals and fire and brimstone lutherans are on a spextrum from unforgivable heresy to cherry picking assholes. Southern fire and brimstone christianity is a bizarre and often heretical abberation that was carefully culled to produce a religion that unquestionably supported slavery and white supremacy. I don't think my catholic priests growing up every mentioned hell, although honestly i wasn't paying much attention. Hell and punishment aren't that important in a lot of christian sects, but for many americans "christianity" means evangelical fascism.

Honestly from what I've read the catholics over the last few decades have been kind of cagey on whether anyone even goes to hell. It's just not that important these days.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

it was tounge in cheek but yes, that sounds nice. I just meant to say that this all sounds so bizarre to me. not just my upbringing but every book movie personal encounter with other types of christian is telling me otherwise. But I know my personal experiences are probably not worth very much and yall are probably right. I would say that in a lot of black majority christian countries the hell fire and brimstone seems alive and well. like ive been to places that make American evangelical Christians all look like progressive safe havens. But yeah i would love to live in a world where i wasn't regularly told im going to hell.