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[–] sudo@programming.dev 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So we should forgive Bush for killing 2 million Iraqi's then because he said it was a mistake? Never trust anyone who supported his war. Everyone's just washing their hands so they can dirty them again.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No but when he stands against the invasion of Ukraine we should cheer him on, absolutely.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you actually think that's any sort of change of heart for him? He absolutely doesn't regret Iraq. Supporting Ukraine for him is just supporting more arm shipments. It's no problem for him to say "aww gee Iraq was a mistake", after its all done.

Hell, praising Bush for supporting Ukraine did more harm for the cause than good because the average american - even republicans - hate his guts.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't care at all if he's had a change of heart on Iraq, I'm saying I support him when he says "Fuck Russia."

[–] sudo@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's cool, but you've forgotten the point. The people who've been supporting genocide all this time should not be forgiven nor should we stop calling them out. They all belong in the Hague like Bush. Telling people to be quiet about them is just another excuse to tell pro-palestian protestors to be quiet when they've been right the whole time.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Nah I'm on point, everyone right now should oppose Israel, and anybody late to the party is welcome by me.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not about forgiving here.

The main priority here is to fix the problem, not to assign blame.

If the choice is between stopping the genocide and restoring peace versus hating all the people who ever supported Israel, that choice would be easy for me.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The point is to learn who to not to trust to prevent this from happening in the first place. If we didn't keep re-electing people who supported the Iraq war this genocide absolutely would not have happened in the first place.

No amount of shaming them had an affect on them before. Only the prospect of real consequences for their crimes is making them change. All you've done is just found a new way to tell anti-zionist protestors to shut up.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

No. What I did is say that if someone switches sides we should let them.