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The sorry state of streaming residuals shows why SAG and the WGA are striking.

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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But the sales and marketing morons deserve to be paid for everything, of course!

[–] yiliu@informis.land 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, they shouldn't be profiting from rent on IP any more than anybody else does. The government should make some major changes to intellectual property law to stop that.

Anyway...do sales & marketing people get paid an unreasonable amount? Are they rolling in cash while writers suffer? Seems to me that most the marketing people I've met in my life were just getting along like everybody else. They don't seem like the right people to be angry at.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You worked in a shitty industry, I'm in the valley and the marketing guys make top bank, I was a Sr principal at one of the biggies and they blow me out of the water.

Sales is often on a different level, commission is incredible.

Where do you think the money is going?

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I was reading a book on this recently and it had a good reason for why some departments get all the money and some don't. Imagine you have a market that is saturated with products, you decided you can and want to buy, but can't choose. In that case, sales/marketing is what brings in the most money, so they have the most power and get paid accordingly.

Now imagine the post-war booming economy where every car made gets sold and cars are fairly established as a product. Sales and engineering performance are not that important, but financial departments grew immensely, because the competition was on optimizing, cost-cutting, investment and consolidation.

Last example: new industry, still figuring out the best methods, newest products and killer apps: engineering has the most power.

Given the economy we're in right now, where money is tight, new products outside the AI hype/boom are going to be companies fighting to sell you their product, so marketing is winning right now, but it may change.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Easier answer: social skills + their whole job is ass-kissing, they get very good at it.

Imagine how good engineers could be if they didn't have to waste all their time doing actual work.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago

Yes, that same book also talked about how success and pay is only 5% performance and the rest is self promotion and sucking up...that helps put a lot of life in perspective

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The estimated total pay for a Marketing Executive at Walt Disney Company is $106,208 per year.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Walt-Disney-Company-Marketing-Executive-Salaries-E717_D_KO20,39.htm

The estimated total pay for a Writer at Walt Disney Company is $69,619 per year. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Walt-Disney-Company-Writer-Salaries-E717_D_KO20,26.htm

Disney pays higher than average. Writers can get paid a hell of a lot less. And it's often only a part-time job that lasts only a few weeks or months a year.

So yeah, I'd say the marketing executives get paid an unreasonable amount compared to the writers who actually make a huge contribution to creating the product.