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[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

So does this mean essentially about 1.5 kids per female on average? So why are we rounding up immigrants and kicking them out of the country if we need more people? And why are we not supporting families better? And since the world is already over populated, is this a problem?

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

psst

They're trying to build a prison, for you and me.

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hadn't listened to that song in a while, and while it was relevant back in the day...it's disturbingly even more relevant now.

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago

Honestly a little sad we don't have SOAD, or even RATM anymore (imagine RATM today).

grandson has some pretty relevant songs

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s about the shape of the people part of the economy, by age. If the elderly are too many in comparison to the young, social security collapses as does a larger part of the economy. Medical care. Caregivers. Families that simply take care of their elderly in lieu of “system” machinations managing care.

This isn’t me being birther about any of this issue, I’m just relating the primary economic argument regarding birth rates.

That said, if the donor class wants more babies, then they should be taking better care of the working class. As is, the donor class is squeezing us to death, for pennies.

[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As I learned the other day, if it wasn't for undocumented immigrants paying taxes but not getting benefits, social security would be in a much worse financial situation.

Every working undocumented immigrant detained is one step closer to financial ruin for future grandpas and grandmas. When immigrants work jobs, they pay in, but since they are here illegally, they can't access the benefits from working. And it sure as heck ain't cheap to round them up and detain them either. It's too bad the media and politicians only pretend to care about the cost if the policy is something that actually helps people.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 3 points 3 days ago

Yes. This was the prop up for Social Security, immigrants paying in but not collecting. It was quite brilliant. Pay your taxes, fund our elderly, and we’ll leave you be.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 4 points 3 days ago

If you're just learning this, I'd encourage you to widen your news diet. Start with The Guardian to adjust to how blatantly biased corporate news is. Many other quality sites are linked here, but The Guardian is most general-purpose.