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Things seem to have moved after the Cabinet meeting this morning, but there are some pretty big caveats:

[The announcement] will stipulate the need for the release of all the hostages still held by Hamas and be based on a guarantee the terror group no longer rules Gaza, sources say.

Also made me wonder how Starmer's conversation with Trump went yesterday. Not good?

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (5 children)

what is the difference between a kidnapped person and a pow if both are held for the purposes of negotiation?

hamas is a group fighting colonialism and invasion.

“israel” is a group doing colonialism and invasion.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

POWs aren't captured for the purposes of negotiation, that's the point. The Allies negotiated with the Axis over the release and transfer of POWs after WW2, but no one would call them hostages, on either side.

Look, as I said, Israel's government is terrible and treats people appallingly, but the answer to your original question really just is: because Hamas kidnapped those people intending to use them as hostages.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

and you still don’t see my point - calling them hostages when they are actually pows is a thing because it delegitimizes the struggle hamas has in booting zionists out of palestine. call them what they are: pows.

heck if only because israeli adults are conscripted military assets anyway.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But not all the hostages were adults, nor were they even all Israelis, conscripted or not.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

cool. the point still stands. hamas is not holding “hostages” if israel is holding “prisoners.”

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