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What does "asking for trouble" mean to people? I would interpret it as "choosing to take an unnecessary risk". It's not a term I would use in this context, but it doesn't necessarily imply that being the source of the trouble is morally permissible.
Here it is implied girls dressed a certain way is a prompt.
And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to extrapolate “bad things happen to them” from trouble.
I want to take the opportunity to leave this here: https://sbaproject.org/what-were-you-wearing/
Yeah, I feel like this will get accused of being victim blaming, but it could just as easily be something analogous to leaving a stack of cash in plain view in a parked car. Morally fine, but that's not much comfort to me when my window gets smashed and the cash is taken.
Yes. I am accusing you of victim blaming. And objectifying women by comparing their bodies to cash, something commonly kept out of sight and locked up. It's the same logic some religions use to justify making women wear full body coverings.
What if, instead of saying "asking for trouble" it said "asking for it."
The comparison isn't between a woman and money, the comparison is between a woman and anyone who would leave cash visible in a parked car. The cash is not the victim, the person who left the cash visible is the victim.
If you leave more cash out, are you asking for it more?
Yes? A few quarters might not get stolen but a hundred dollar bill is gonna tempt every thief.
Would be great if neither got stolen though.
So if more cash = more likely to get stolen, then less clothes = more likely to be raped.
Just making sure we're on the same page about this article where men are saying that women are "asking for trouble" by wearing less clothes.
I don't think we're on the same page because I have no idea what page you're on but I hope you feel you've made the point you were hoping to make, whatever that might be.
What the parent comment is trying to say is not a comparison between women and money. It's saying that evil people will do more evil deeds if it's easier for them to be evil. Your condemnation of their analogy is not only misplaced but is also harmful to the overall discussion.
Disagreement is not harmful to discussion, especially with the poor choice of analogy. What do you think the cash is supposed to represent here?
Cash in this analogy is representing a different target for evil people. Cash itself is not analogous to women, but evil people don't think of them as women. They think of women as targets.
If this argument is based on the belief in wholesale "evil people" and that the people who violate and abuse women all see them as targets, I can't continue. We have a fundamentally different understanding of where violence and abuse comes from...
Which goes back to the original headline. Is a women making herself a target by dressing a certain way (Not a literal target, hopefully?) Because that is what I'm disagreeing with. If that were true, then there would be an ideal way to dress in which a woman would not be "asking for trouble." It follows from there that out of a group of women with different outfits, who were all sexually abused in the same manner, some would have been asking for it more than others. That's what I can't get behind.
Nobody is saying what you are disagreeing with. We're all on the same side here and agree with the same stuff just saying it differently and you can't understand that for some reason. You're flipping out for no reason and I'm trying to explain that but it seems to be only making it worse for you somehow
Flipping out? If you think anyone who presents an alternative viewpoint is automatically upset, I don't know how to speak with you.
And yes, my opinion is different from the one I responded to. I don't agree with that analogy, fundamentally, as I explained.
My disagreement isn't rooted in an emotional response, nor am I upset. Sure seems like you are, though.
How could you disagree with the analogy when you fundamentally don't understand it. You think it means something completely different than what the poster meant it to say
Pretty sure I nailed it.
My initial response to you got upvoted, which means the general public thinks my explanation was better than your interpretation.
Now that obviously isn't proof, but it is a thought that maybe you should reconsider.
6 people = the general public?
That you believe that gives me a lot to consider, and it doesn't make your point of view more favorable.
Do you wear a seatbelt when you drive? Lock your car doors? Use smoke detectors?
And I wear a gilly suit when I go out, since anything less is asking for trouble.
You can't answer simple questions? Are you a child?
Do you not understand humor and subtext?