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New title: ADF gets to play with American toys, while they don't need them.

Seriously, if this doesn't result in full control of production and independent use, then these things are useless to be included in defence plans of Australia.

We'd be better off without them, knowing we absolutley don't have the capability, instead of having the possibility of the rug pulled, like what has happened to Ukraine.

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All you and I have said in essence doesn't matter.

Their problem is the crimes they are committing in Gaza now. They could be the most enlightened unicorns the world has seen, they are still committing the heinous crime of starvation and mass punishment, and about a third of their 'enemy' seem to be children, you don't wipe your hands of this, and we don't let them.

Israel doesn't have values like our own, maybe at some point the two countries were more aligned in that respect. Our history is sordid, and we continue to have problems and always will. We are changing as a nation, slowly, but i live in a very different country, and better, than i grew up in.

We don't have to choose a best mate in the middle east, thats okay, i never tried to say any were better. We're a world away and can afford to keep all at arms length, thats a choice we can make.

So i think the equivalences you draw aren't useful. Israel is a nation committing crimes against humanity, compare their actions against UN conventions, or the Rome Statute, etc..