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[–] O_i@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (31 children)

Compared to our current system though? How much does the entire banking and credit card industry contribute to emissions for almost the same service? Bitcoin incentivises energy companies to mine BTC with excess energy.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (23 children)

The current systems used by VISA use significantly less energy compared to PoW cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin

statista.com - Bitcoin average energy consumption per transaction compared to that of VISA as of January 19, 2025

Ethereum was able to cut their energy usage down drastically by moving away of PoW. Windmills and clean energy aren't the solution, getting rid of PoW is. Why build more solar farms if you could just not use so much electricity?

[–] O_i@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (10 children)

I think I haven’t explained myself properly. I will admit it seems bitcoin uses more energy in this case. However, we’re comparing Bitcoins entire currency system with that of a processor of fiat. I’m on mobile right now but I would like to see that comparison for arguments sake, bitcoin ecosystem vs fiat ecosystem (including mining, storing and transport of gold)

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Don't engage with these ignorant assholes man, they are all in banking's pocket. We are at war, you know that right? Who the hell would be this passionate about protecting a slimy, evil ass legacy network without any audibility, responsible for countless wars, death, usurping of democratic governments, literally the death of this planet via global warming...

Traditional banking supports and incentives genocide.

It supports and incentivizes oil.

It shut down nuclear power.

It limits renewable power.

It is the engine of our destruction.

Do not justify yourself to it. You are the correct one. Anyone who cannot see this will never see it now. Leave them on their path to die. They will go down with the ship. I feel for them, but it is too late now.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

they are all in banking’s pocket.

The fastest way to render your point invalid.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Don’t engage with these ignorant assholes man, they are all in banking’s pocket.

Shit you got me, you ruined our perfect psyop!

[–] O_i@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oof yeah I looked back and noticed I’m arguing on memes😵‍💫 it’s amazing we’re on the fediverse but they can’t see the parallels

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Yup.

Look, they're arguing against math. Not much you can say to someone at that point. The knowledge is free for everyone to see now. Even someone with basic curiosity about the universe can access it.

You can barely have a conversation with people that far gone. Bitcoin will be worth $10,000,000 of their worthless dollars and used for commerce between Earth and Mars, and they'd still be arguing against it. It could lead to the construction of a dyson sphere around an artificial sun, powered completely by fusion energy, and they'd still criticize the energy usage while talking to an energy-guzzling AI about their relationship issues.

They're gone my friend.

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