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When a Christian Makes Contact with an Atheist (infosec.pub)

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[–] emmanuelw@jlai.lu 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I looked to first link, and the first biblical reference was Luke 16:23. It's a parable… not a description of actual hell… I saw enough to know that it's not theologically serious.

The rest of your message is cherrypicking. You can't cite verses without providing any context or analysis, staying on the surface of things, and think you make a point. Again, not theologically serious. You should study the Bible praying, make it resonate with the life of the marginalized people that Jesus came to meet, not just choosing the verses that confirm your preconceptions, or you'll make the Bible saying the contrary of what it says by cherrypicking and staying too literal. Nobody can make this work for you.

Imagine someone who'd come to you and say: “the Bible say that God doesn't exist, look at Ps 14:1 ‘There is no God’!”. Of course this Psalm says the contrary, and it would be easy to prove, just by citing the verse wholly; but what you do is not different, just more subtle.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't deny that Jesus came to marginalised people. He came to free them, redeem them, and forgive them. He didn't sit around and say "you do you, live your truth". He said "take up your cross, and follow Me".

[–] emmanuelw@jlai.lu 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What are you doing, citing verses without understanding them in their context, if not “living your truth”?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Exegesis.

I do understand the context of Jesus' verses. He was very literal on the existence of Hell.

Matthew 8:8-13

[8] But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. [9] For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” [10] When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. [11] I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, [12] while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” [13] And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

[–] emmanuelw@jlai.lu 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Okay, I'll bait. What's the context of this text? Or in other words: what's Jesus speaking about?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He is saying that many gentiles will come to know God and get into heaven, while those who reject Him will be sent to hell.

[–] emmanuelw@jlai.lu 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, you're reformulating the verse. I'm asking for context. What was the discussion about?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

He was talking to a centurion and about the salvation of the gentiles who come to The Messiah and damnation of Jews who reject Him.