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submitted 1 week ago by bonjour@mander.xyz to c/bicycle_touring@lemmy.world

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Komoot has always rubbed me the wrong way with its aggressive marketing tbh.

I reckon most people lurking here browse BP anyway, really only posting this because i was surprised to see somebody in the comments giving a shoutout to this community! 😊

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Interesting anecdotes. If signage is what's important, I agree that's an issue, but surely it's separate. What I don't get is why people are sharing (and paying for!) GPX tracks, i.e. to help them with GPS nav, when you all the information you could possibly need is already publicly available.

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It wouldn't be that bad if the routes were at least planned, validated and marked somewhere. By planning in Brouter and OsmAnd I got multiple times spit out in the middle of fields without any route or in front of locked gate. If there would be some routes you can just load in your computer and follow, but no you have to rely a bit on your judgement and map reading skills.

The luxury of Czech routes that can be followed without GPS nav or even paper maps is its own league of map info that is just not available elsewhere. So I really understand why it is appealing to ride or even pay for that info.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OK that makes some sense.

By planning in Brouter and OsmAnd I got multiple times spit out in the middle of fields without any route or in front of locked gate

Yes this can be a problem. Uncertainty about road surface is a particular worry. At least once I've found myself basically riding across a field, when a it was marked as a dirt track. The locked-gate issue is even more problematic tho in practice I think I've never actually had it. More usually I'm surprised by how accurate the data is - and find myself wondering who it was who went to the trouble of doing it, and feeling grateful to them!

And of course that's the point about OSM data, IMO: if it's bad or wrong, ideally we should be fixing it rather than taking the consumer mindset and jumping ship to a paid product.

The luxury of Czech routes that can be followed without GPS nav or even paper maps is its own league of map info that is just not available elsewhere.

This seems to suggest that Czech navigation data is rights-protected, maybe by the national maps agency. I've heard that can be a problem. Again, it seems to me to be political problem to be fixed. But I get why you'd want to just have the best data available.

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Yes, it is problem in osm data but that doesn't mean that there aren't people that just want something to work, the komoot atd makes it quite easy to see where people have gone and should be passable. And unfortunately most people have the consumer mindset about this.

Yeah the Czech touristic club is bit bitchey about that data and gives it only to the Czech equivalent to Google (seznam) but all of it is still in OSM. The paper maps are made by few companies and they are bit pricey too but I wouldn't tell that the data are looked down. There are some people trying to get it fixed (to be officially added to osm).