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[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

Heinlein gets shit on for this, but his "citizenship through service" idea always made sense to me. Yeah you have rights, can work a regular job, and have all the benefits we traditionally associate with "citizenship" by simply being a legal resident...but if you want to vote or hold office, you need to spend a few years contributing. Maybe that's military service, or maybe that's working as a teacher in a low-income area. Regardless, voting is a privilege that SHOULD be earned by contributing to the society you want to impact FIRST.

[–] bss03 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I also thought it a good idea at one point. I've since been convinced otherwise.

BUT, I do think we need some way for intolerant people to be stripped of the political power of the vote. I just can't figure out a way it could possibly be implemented without being weaponized against the marginalized. It may be better to implement it and attempt "constant vigilance" -- it seems like there are already necessary system that can be so weaponized that still do more good than harm.

[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Humans in 2025 are...well, mostly horrible. So if we're working with this stock, it's never going to work. It's more of an idea that works really well AFTER the morons die from COVID/etc. because they refused to wear a mask unless that mask let them brutalize brown folks. Long-term, I think it's in idea we shouldn't bin (as a species). But it absolutely won't work TODAY.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That kind of sounds like we won't need it anymore if we're developed enough to be able to implement it well.

[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online 1 points 5 days ago

Shh...we need the dream of possibility.

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