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Just pointing out the obvious here, but the problem isn't organizations like Collective Shout. And there has been a rather worrying development of this issue where people seem to focus on these organizations rather than the actual problem.
Payment processing is a utility. Credit card companies should not be allowed to pick and choose who they allow and who they block. That's the job of the government. Anything illegal can be blocked, but blocking anything legal such as the delisted games, or the Japanese manga sites that visa and MasterCard killed, should count as discriminatory practice and antitrust violation.
Japan is on track to force credit card companies to allow all legal transactions indiscriminately, and we need the same thing to happen in the EU and US. Once we have this fixed, organizations will be forced to instead try to outlaw the games, which is a million times harder.
If we bully organizations like collective shout out of existence, new ones will pop up to take its place, and the cycle repeats, but if we regulate credit card companies, we essentially cure the disease.
Actually insane to say that Collective Shout is blameless. Go look at the vile shit their members are spewing. Not only are they demonstrably culpable for this, they're also engaging in hate speech and disinformation and targeted harassment.
The payment situation is also to blame.
Nobody said that. Except you, I guess.
They didn't say blameless, but they did heavily imply Collective Shout isn't a problem and that people are worried about the wrong thing. I think Noxy's interpretation and response that there's multiple things to blame was pretty reasonable.