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[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 91 points 1 week ago (65 children)

Yeah but DLS would be a significant downgrade for many people, who already fight the suggestion to only eat meat six days a week tooth and nail.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6013539/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10537420/

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/acs.est.3c03957/suppl_file/es3c03957_si_001.pdf

Things that count as DLS:

  • 10 m² of personal living space + 20 m² for every 4 ppl as bathroom / kitchen
  • 2100 kcal/day
  • 1400 kWh/year, but this already includes public services (education/healthcare)
  • 1 washing machine per 20 ppl
  • 2.4 kg clothing / year
  • wear tops for three days and bottoms for 15 days without washing
  • 1 laptop per 4 people with a yearly power consumption of 62 kWh. (bizzarely they talk about an 800 MHz computer and seem to confuse HDD and RAM). If your gaming computer used 400 W you could use it for 150 hr/year.
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

The other question is: where are we living? It takes a lot more resources to live in Canada than it does to live in a warm climate to the south. Does that mean we all have to abandon Canada and crowd ourselves into the hot equatorial regions?

Otherwise those numbers seem like a huge downgrade for even working class Canadians. It goes to show you that Canada is a truly rich country and all but the least fortunate here have far more resources than someone living in the poorest countries in the world.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, that list sounds like literal prison. That's a hard sell for a good chunk of people.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

ITT: people who didn't even glance at the study.

Quoting from the study:

"It is important to understand that the DLS represents a minimum floor for decent living. It does not represent a an aspirational standard and certainly does not represent a ceiling. However, it is also a level of welfare not currently achieved by the vast majority of people. A new paper by Hoffman et al finds that 96.5 percent of people in low- and middle-income countries are deprived of at least one DLS dimension...we can conclude that 6.4 billion people, more than 80% of the world's population, are deprived of DLS."

The authors are not suggesting that everyone be forced on DLS at gunpoint. They are suggesting an absolute bare minimum standard that the overwhelming majority of people on Earth do not yet even have. Quite obviously any excess production could and would be used to increase standard of living.

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