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He is commander in chief of the US military.
The US military stresses disobeying illegal orders.
So the simple answer is the US military chain of command respecting their oath to the constitution over loyalty to Trump.
You mean like all of the air force brass, logistics commanders, pilots, all the way down to the MPs, who have been consistent in collaborating following illegal orders to fly black bagged and chained legal US residents that were refused due process to foreign concentration camps?
Just like the Marines refused to be deployed to California
Remind me again how many Marines opened fire on civilians.
Marines opening fire? I think only during the Rodney King riots.
Any military branches opening fire? The Kent State Shooting and The Bonus Army Incident.
Any military branches just bombing the shit out of civilians on US soil? The Battle of Blair Mountain and The Philadelphia MOVE Bombing
Oh I know it has happened, and those type incidents are why the UCMJ now explicitly has the don't do illegal shit clause.
I was talking here to the 2k or so that deployed recently in LA.
goalpost: moved
So it's fine as long as they're not literally murdering people?
No Marine obeyed an illegal order, and that's the whole point of this thread.
They were used in a very narrow scope as defined by law, protecting specific government buildings.
It was Trump being a bully and grandstanding, but other than the optics we're talking about, it was really a lame event.
The vast majority of the 2k Marines did what Marines always do when they don't have specific orders on a shit deployment, the sat around or caught up on rack time.
Right?! They were out in less than 6-weeks.
And they basically did nothing but stand around. I think they arrested one guy? And that one guy was most likely being an asshole and pushed his luck past the brink. Also, there was only 700 of them. You couldn't control my little hick town with 700 soldiers. LOL, they'd be hilariously outgunned by the rednecks and retired military. In any case, now they're gone.
Yes, it was an egregiously corrupt use of the military, but that's not even close to using weapons of war on an American city.
Think again, señor:
Such an asshole...
2700, I believe.
Every source I see states 700.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+marines+were+deployed+to+los+angeles
you mean all the ones hes fired? lol. people are fucking clueless.
The chain of command goes from the secretary of defense all the way down to the most junior enlisted personnel.
You seem to assume I meant the joint chiefs or some small hand full of senior commanders.
Generals don't pull the trigger, and as someone else pointed out, the logistics involved with bombing a city includes hundreds of service members.
Not sure where you get off calling me clueless as my initial response exactly answers the original question.
If not for honorable service members respecting their oaths and the UCMJ, there is literally nothing stopping Trump from bombing Chicago or LA.
as i said people are clueless. pay attention to how people are actually behaving. most frontline individuals are either dutifully following orders or quitting. the idea that the military will refuse trump is absolutely not couched in reality.
If your point is that this mechanism won't work, then I'm assuming your point is that nothing can stop Trump.
Doesn't mean my answer was wrong or clueless, only that the means to stop him has failed.
If you think something else is stopping him, I'd be very curious what that might be.
You have a mioptic view of the universe of options. Expecting the established systems that have literally failed at every opportunity to somehow put a check on trump is fool hardy.
If you want him stopped you will have to stop him.
Well, let's see.
It won't be his moral fiber.
It won't be China or Russia the only two military powers that have a chance to have any influence on CONUS affairs.
Maybe his desperate desire for public approval as I suspect major ordinance dropped on a US population center isn't going to poll well, but I'd hate to count on that.
Me? Stop the president from doing literally anything? You vastly over estimate my powers.
The chances of me personally firebombing anything is functionally 0.
I certianly expect someone else to handle this for me, the men and women of the US military who aren't going to a US city into fucking Dresden.
My suggestion was to rely on the mechanism which has handled this type of issue without fail since day one.
Yours is to encite random acts of partisan violence.
I'm going stick with my plan thanks.
We're already in the state of partisan violence. just take a look at the news. 🤦 excuse me mr gestapo please dont arrest my friends and family. lol.
god you people would rather sit on your asses than do anything effective to stop this nonsense. Trump is already denying aid to states he doesnt like, arresting legal residents on trumped up charges. about the only thing he isnt doing is shooting people personally.
so what will it take for you to actually lift a fucking finger? your family members being shot in the streets by ICE? random acts of directed violence is precisely what is needed atm. but keep on hand wringing. I'm sure that will be effective!
Not wringing my hands, in fact I never stated whether I was actually against Trump bombing cities, I just answered what was stopping him.
That was the question, and the answer is still the same.
As far as my lifting a finger? Well, short of the usual civic duties like voting and such, I'm not getting involved.
So you're saying there's literally nothing.
You need hundreds of people all working together to drop a bomb on a US city. Commanders, officers, maintenance workers, ordinance loaders, pilots, navigators, even base MPs.
You really think you can get all of these people to agree to drop a bomb on a civilian US city, just on a Trump whim?
Come now.
Relying on trained people to not do the thing they're trained for strikes me as a bad plan.
The smaller the pieces you divide a job into, the less likely that any of the individual steps understand the entire process.
You tell one guy to bomb NYC, he's going to stop and think about that.
You tell a hundred people to push a few buttons, and they're just doing their job.
Literally exactly what will happen. you're assuming the people who would object would remain in these organizations. they wont.
Many of these people are trying to do their 20 and get out with retirement. They're not going to quit like it's a shit job at McDonald's.
Then you can expect them to do as ordered, no? Since refusal would result in a discharge and loss of said benefits.
Think people this isnt that hard to follow the logical conclusion.
I highly recommend you arm yourself or leave the country.
Arguing with US nationalism is fucking merry-go-round. They're always expecting that one hero that'll topple generations of conditioning, like a superman. When they've shown time and again they are very capable of horrible fucking shit throughout the history.
They act like their contrymen are somehow morally superior group of people who stopped killing civillians at Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or even their own countrymen. History books say no, their policians hide the crimes (revealed years later) and these people still eat the propaganda for breakfast.
Yes, but no.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwPLqGkYnBA&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD