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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I talk about this in another comment on a different post, but I'll give you the TLDR, plus a bit more musing:

  • At the highest level, this type of thinking stems from an erosion of parenting and the evolution of the digital age. It's not that parents don't care, but they have less time than they have historically to parent, and both parents have to work to support the family in most cases.

  • Kids now socialize less due to time spent online

  • The algorithms online are powerful and meant to keep you watching, even if it's not great for you

  • Because of the lack of parenting and being terminally on there is less and less interaction with positive male role model, so kids figuring themselves out latch on to anything they can find and it ends up being Tate and ilk because fear and anger sell, and they make us feel like if only we were just a bit better, we would have what the tatertots have.

  • To combat this, we need to make morons afraid again

  • Saying something outrageous used to cost you social capital but now everyone is too busy to care and there's been the rise of the ideal that all opinions are equal, confrontation, unless approved by the talking heads online, is bad, and everyone need to feel safe, heard, and their opinions as valid (at least to a degree)

  • We can best deal with this weaponized misogyny by calling people out - especially kids - as it crops up. If you're a coach on a hockey team and someone starts up, shut them down. Leagues have diversity and inclusion policies - use them to back yourself up.

  • Even if it's just someone else's kid you are around, while you may be afraid of speaking up, but chances are most parents would want to know their kid is calling women 'holes' or the like and will deal with it.

The only way this goes away is if we address it at every stage, and every time it comes up.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s not that parents don’t care, but they have less time than they have historically to parent, and both parents have to work to support the family in most cases.

I'll spot you one deeper. Working families have been the norm for the bulk of human history. But we've also had large tribal communities full of extended family to provide social and economic support.

But the nuclear family, privatization of social services, and the wealth gap have closed off this network of relationships. In the modern world of commoditized labor and class politics, you either have servants or you are a servant.

Fascists translate the class politics to a social structure. For fascist men, the women become the servant gender to which men are entitled.

Further, as wealth aggregation generates a gulf between poverty and aristocracy, the aristocrats have a habit of monopolizing young people for their own personal demands. This leads to a problem of Surplus Males whose struggle for survival leads to domestic and criminal violence.

All of this degrades quality of life for the next generation.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

You're on point at least on the capitalism behind this. I didn't want to dive into it because my comment was long enough, but I'm glad you did

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