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It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (33 children)

Edit: Also, there's a difference between expressing low opinions about someone and directly insulting them.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (32 children)

SoftestSapphic is trans. She was upset about a troll coming into her community and making fun of her identity in a particularly cruel way (likening it to fantasy creatures or a kids' game or something), and then further upset by the mods of blahaj defending the troll and banning people who criticized them. That's why she's angry about it. Honestly, I don't blame her, it makes perfect sense to me.

Ada said that she defended Dragonrider for quite a long time even after people started telling her they were encouraging people to self-harm and other objectively horrible behavior, because she felt bad because they were getting "harassed." Of course, when they did something much more minor to Ada, she suddenly felt they were toxic and had to go.

I don't want to have this whole ridiculous debate again. I feel stupid even touching on it to this extent, I just wanted to give you that relevant context. You're literally celebrating the dbzer0 admins for banning a trans person for trying to voice her objection to the performative and stupid way that trans issues are handled in some segments of Lemmy. In my world, she should be allowed to say that. In yours and dbzer0's, apparently she should not, because db0 is the arbiter of whether trans issues are being handled correctly, and she is not, and she needs to obey their instructions for what she can and can't speak up on.

Also, the "low opinions" db0 is talking about there were:

I think he’s an obnoxious dickhead

I remember his username and him being a twat

He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib

a goddam stalker

an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats

Do you think those are direct personal insults, which should be handled differently than for example criticism of an instance's policies or for someone's specific actions? Good! So do I. Because db0 apparently has some six inch thick rose-colored glasses that get applied to any action that is done by "our good people," though, they are just "low opinions."

Honestly I thought you were smart and well-meaning, just kind of focused on growth of the community and creating positive things. The more I am looking into how dbzer0 does things, the more I think lumping them in with the tankie instances with their admin behavior fits pretty well, and I have no idea why you're bending over backwards so far to defend them.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (31 children)

I don’t want to have this whole ridiculous debate again. I feel stupid even touching on it to this extent, I just wanted to give you that relevant context. You’re literally celebrating the dbzer0 admins for banning a trans person for trying to voice her objection to the performative and stupid way that trans issues are handled in some segments of Lemmy. In my world, she should be allowed to say that. In yours and dbzer0’s, apparently she should not, because db0 is the arbiter of whether trans issues are being handled correctly, and she is not, and she needs to obey their instructions for what she can and can’t speak up on.

The majority of the users of Blahaj are trans too.

I remember his username and him being a twat

PJ himself admitted that being correct

I mean tbf both of those are at least true

https://lemmy.world/comment/18435763

On top of that, the community is called !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, having this kind of statements regarding the reported power tripping mod is as old as the community.

When you look at the recent thread about JordanLund (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338), you see things like

It’s been a couple of weeks since @jordanlund@lemmy.world was in here defending genocide. I almost missed the ugly fucking zio. Automatic PTB for anything he touches with his scummy little fingers.

You commented below it without seeing any issue.

I’ll happily advocate for the Palestinians’ rights to kill as many of the IDF as they can manage. It won’t solve their problems, but they’ve got every right to do it, and nothing else that I can see will solve any of their problems other than better leadership in the US.

I think you’ve probably understood me pretty well, what you decide about me is up to you just like it is for everyone else.

Don’t go to lemmy.world, it’s a silly place, for this among some other reasons.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338/19830549

What has changed since then?

Honestly I thought you were smart and well-meaning, just kind of focused on growth of the community and creating positive things. The more I am looking into how dbzer0 does things, the more I think lumping them in with the tankie instances with their admin behavior fits pretty well, and I have no idea why you’re bending over backwards so far to defend them.

As I mentioned in a previous comment you never replied to (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49728632/20305246)

I'm am going to be honest with you, I didn't expect you to make this kind of comments

Cool! Now accuse him of caring way too much about politics, and getting in heated debates about it like a LOSER, speaking as you are from your lemmy.ml address. That’ll make perfect sense too.

Also, not sure why it’s not okay for dbzer0 to have a “our users” stance while you broadly categorize all .ml users as “losers”

You are scrutinizing all dbzer0 mod actions to put them in the worst way possible, while nothing is new:

  • YPTB has always had some aggressive comments towards the reported power tripper
  • The dbzer0 stance on the drag matter is known, nothing new here
  • the pro / anti AI seems to be dbzer0 mods banning people who downvote their content on their communities, seems quite common across the platform

If !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com seems too oriented for you, feel free to reanimate !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org or create another community. That would be interesting, to be honest.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks for bringing some documents to this fight. :)

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