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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I feel torn. On one hand, whatever floats your boat.

One the other, I think my biggest issue is that this stuff makes people more afraid of their fellow human beings because of incidents that make up like 0.0001% of all deaths.

You're more likely to die early if you are constantly alone/asocial for a number of causes. Worrying about being murdered and chopped up into pieces by some nutcase is an extremely irrational fear to cultivate. And I know that these shows do that: They do it to me every time I watch/listen to one.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think its a bit insensitive to the dead person.
I've heard of families who get hounded by podcasters after a member gets murdered.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, its insensitive to the survivors. That's definitely another issue, and pestering them for "juicy information" is pretty gross and callous.

(The dead person doesn't care though, they're dead.)

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Actually, yeah I wouldn't care if someone covers me stupidly in their podcast, but I'd be upset if they harrased any people I know (well, I wouldn't because I'm dead).

[–] mang0@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

(The dead person doesn't care though, they're dead.)

You realize that necrophilia could be justified with this?

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, what will i care? Ill be dead.

[–] mang0@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There might exist people who care about your corpse. Maybe they'll have objections about someone having sex with it, at least it's guaranteed if the dead person didn't wish for it to happen.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

somebody might care!

Nope. None who have any right.

if the dead person

In this hypothetical; me. Go nuts.

[–] mang0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nope. None who have any right.

Believe it or not: other people do have rights over your body. You don't own your own body. You're dead, remember?

In this hypothetical; me. Go nuts.

What if I told you that you're not the only person in the world?

you don't own

Oh, i guess if somebodys gonna eat it or something they might mind someone fucking it, but im not an organ donor-the odds are too high it would get used as a chew toy for cops, and i dont want them to have free fun ever.

not the only person in the world.

Cool so who has that right? No family, no lovers at present, no close friends nearby. Fuck off with your propertarian garbage. Or on, if you're gonna put it to some use.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mang0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There other reasons other than the dead person themselves to keep a taboo on necrophilia:

  1. As stated, the dead person has survivors who likely would find that psychologically distressing/traumatic.
  2. Normalization of necrophilia has other unsettling implications directly and indirectly related on a societal level.
  3. Disease.

Probably some stuff I'm forgetting.

[–] mang0@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I primarily thought of the first point but didn't understand what you meant since the word survivor is used incorrectly, but from the context it would seem like you mean relatives and friends.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

transitive verb
1: to remain alive after the death of
"he is survived by his wife"

[–] mang0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

survivor noun. a person who survives, especially a person remaining alive after an event in which others have died.

I would accept your passive aggressive contribution if the word in question was the verb "survive" and not the noun "survivor". Fuck off.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Noun: [...]
3. One who knew a specific decedent.
"She was from a large family and had many friends, so the funeral was crowded with mourning survivors"

Via wiktionary.

Did you really just not look this up, at all? Seriously, this is an extremely common usage of the term. Why are you so defensive about this? For that matter, why do you think arguing semantics at all is relevant to the discussion at hand - beyond just making you look like you're arguing in bad faith?

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

and? if someone wants to donate their body to bring someone else joy why shouldn't they be able to?

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I mean, if someone explicitly states in their will that they're OK with their body being turned into a sex toy (or even that its one of their wishes) that complicates things but there are still good reasons to deny it anyway.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A lot of people are drawn to true crime because they think it's educational - learning what not to do, learn about red flags, learn how to keep oneself safe.

Same reason a lot of people watch aircraft disaster documentaries while they're afraid of flying. It's not to get further scared due to the disasters themselves, but to learn what was done about the problems that led to the incidents.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like this is even worse. Can lead to 'didn't wanna get murdered? Shouldn't've dressed so slutty.' vibes.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a slippery slope argument. Faulting victims for not knowing what to look out for has been happening ever since the first bully blamed another person for upsetting them. It's not new, and I haven't seen any evidence that these stories have increased such behavior. (Though if you have a source indicating otherwise, I will stand corrected.)

Consider as well, that access to how the criminal mind works hasn't always been around. For most of human history, this stuff would not have been studied or understood to the depth that it can be today. With understanding comes empowerment. For those of us who've been abused, true crime stories can provide a lot of benefits, from helping us find a better understanding of what we've gone through, to increasing the general visibility for and understanding of mental health issues in society at large.

Not to say there aren't issues with true crime media. Just that it provides powerful benefits for some people.

access to how the criminal mind works hasn't always

I am offended on so many levels.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

If it were purely for utilitarian safety and educational purposes, that would imply a much smaller footprint of their time spent consuming that information than is typical of those that listen/watch to these podcasts and shows.

Most people if they want to stay safe/live-long just need to socialize frequently, eat healthy, get enough sleep, and look both ways when crossing the street/drive safely. Because people don't do those things and they end up dead more often as a result of those things than axe murderers.

Yep, I'm an educational fan. The less I understand something, the more I'm drawn to find out more about it. Things like true crime are fascinating because I can't fathom the minds of the perpetrators. I want to know what drives them and makes them tick.

I've had experiences with psychopaths and narcissists numerous times in my life, mostly before I started to explore this genre. I've been victimized and used, and when I learned about the the dark triad, it was highly empowering. I could finally make sense of the people I've been around and the events I've been through.

I became more savvy and aware. I also got to start healing from what I'd been through. I came to understand more about the dynamics between victim and perpetrator, as well as what red flags to look out for to minimize chances of being in that situation again.

Although there is an inherent insensitivity in the concept of "true crime" being a form of entertainment, there's no denying the educational value that many people derive from it. I can't be the only victim who's found empowerment from acquiring a better understanding of the criminal mind.