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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 80 points 2 weeks ago (29 children)

Both require intent, which these do not have.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (19 children)

(Just to make sure we're on the same page, the first article describes deception as 'the systematic inducement of false beliefs in the pursuit of some outcome other than the truth'.)

Are you saying that AI bots do not do this behavior? Why is that?

(P.S. I am not saying this story is necessarily real, I am just want to know your reasoning)

[–] f314@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m not the guy you’re replying to, but I wanted to post this passage from the article about their definition:

It is difficult to talk about deception in AI systems without psychologizing them. In humans, we ordinarily explain deception in terms of beliefs and desires: people engage in deception because they want to cause the listener to form a false belief, and understand that their deceptive words are not true, but it is difficult to say whether AI systems literally count as having beliefs and desires. For this reason, our definition does not require this.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Their "definition" is wrong. They don't get to redefine words to support their vague (and also wrong) suggestion that llms "might" have consciousness. It's not "difficult to say" - they don't, plain and simple.

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