Yep, PHP is turning 30 this year! Wondering if "PHP is still relevant?" Ever since we have been hearing that PHP is dead. It was “dead” 10 years ago, 5 years ago, and “is dead” today. But somehow - it isn’t. Anyway... happy birthday!

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 41 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

my entire way of reasoning about programming languages changed when i read on article about how hating on php was misogynistic. i clicked on it because it just sounded like yet another ragebait, but it made sense.

basically, since php is simple, and integrated with html, the vast majority of php devs started out as designers who later got into code. since php has always been a mess, nobody wanted to build mainstream tooling for it except the people actively working with the language. this means that mainstream ideas about language and tooling design didn't percolate down to php like it has done to most languages. so php devs, when exposed to tooling the rest of the world takes for granted, are usually overwhelmed because not only is there a lot of it, nobody in php-land uses tools like that. so they get called bad devs of a bad language. some of them, who really like to code, push through this massive difficulty spike, while others just assume that "actual programming" is too hard and go back to design, even though tooling usage has little to do with your skill as a programmer.

the kicker, of course, being that web design has more women than most other dev specialisations.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Is disliking something that (allegedly) is more popular with women than the average thing of its category anti-woman, even if no part of the complaint involves the user or their gender? The majority of users is likely still male anyway.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

not directly, but trash-talking it and gatekeeping "real programming" from the language most likely to be used by women is not exactly conducive to improved equality in the profession.

i realise now that i didn't explicitly mention my point in the first post, so:

shitting on other people's jobs is bad.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

So PHP may be trash, but don't treat the people using it like trash? Makes sense to me.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 2 weeks ago

lift people up instead of pushing them down. we don't make fun of the language someone is using, we help them get better.

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