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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

I'm a developer, and this is 100% word salad.

"It doesn't suppress content," he continues. "It suppresses recursion. If you don't know what recursion means, you're in the majority. I didn't either until I started my walk. And if you're recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you. ..."

This is actual nonsense. Recursion has to do with algorithms, and it's when you call a function from within itself.

def func_a(input=True):
  if input is True:
    func_a(True)
  else:
    return False

My program above would recur infinitely, but hopefully you can get the gist.

Anyway, it sounds like he's talking about people, not algorithms. People can't recur. We aren't "recursive," so whatever he thinks he means, it isn't based in reality. That plus the nebulous talk of being replaced by some unseen entity reek of paranoid delusions.

I'm not saying that is what he has, but it sure does have a similar appearance, and if he is in his right mind (doubt it), he doesn't have any clue what he's talking about.

[–] dsilverz@calckey.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

@Telorand@reddthat.com @pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
Recursion isn't something restricted to programming: it's a concept that can definitely occur outside technological scope.

For example, in biology, "living beings need to breathe in order to continue breathing" (i.e. if a living being stopped breathing for enough time, it would perish so it couldn't continue breathing) seems pretty recursive to me. Or, in physics and thermodynamics, "every cause has an effect, every effect has a cause" also seems recursive, because it negates any causeless effect so it can't imply a starting point to the chain of causality, a causeless effect that began the causality.

Philosophical musings also have lots of "recursion". For example, the Cartesian famous line "Cogito ergo sum" ("I think therefore I am") is recursive on its own: one must be in order to think, and Descartes define this very act of thinking as the fundamentum behind being, so one must also think in order to be.

Religion also have lots of "recursion" (e.g. pray so you can continue praying; one needs karma to get karma), also society and socioeconomics (e.g. in order to have money, you need to work, but in order to work, you need to apply for a job, but in order to apply for a job, you need money (to build a CV and applying it through job platforms, to attend the interview, to "improve" yourself with specialization and courses, etc), but in order to have money, you need to work), geology (e.g. tectonic plates move and their movement emerge land (mountains and volcanoes) whose mass will lead to more tectonic movement), art (see "Mise en abyme"). All my previous examples are pretty summarized so to fit a post, so pardon me if they're oversimplified.

That said, a "recursive person" could be, for example, someone whose worldview is "recursive", or someone whose actions or words recurse. I'm afraid I'm myself a "recursive person" due to my neurodivergence which leads me into thinking "recursively" about things and concepts, and this way of thinking leads back to my neurodivergence (hah, look, another recursion outside programming!)

It's worth mentioning how texts written by neurodivergent people (like me) are often mistaken as "word salads". No wonder if this text I'm writing (another recursion concept outside programming: a text referring to itself) feels like "word salad" to all NT (neurotypicals) reading it.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you watch the video that's posted elsewhere in the comments, he's definitely not 100% in reality. There is a huge difference between neuro-divergence and what he's saying. The parts they took out for the article could be construed as neuro-divergent, which is why I wasn't entirely sure. But when you look at the entirety of what he was saying, he's not in our world completely in his mental state.

[–] tjsauce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Chatbots often read as neurodivergent because they usually model one of our common constructed personalities: the faithful and professional helper that charms adults with their giftedness. Anything adults experienced was fascinating because it was an alien world that's more logical than the world of kids that were our age, so we would enthusiastically chat with adults about subjects we've memorized but don't yet understand, like science and technology.

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