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With the cost of living soaring, many Kiwi families are struggling to afford healthy food. Countries like Canada and the UK don’t tax basic groceries, and it's time New Zealand followed suit. Removing GST—or offering a rebate—on meat and vegetables would ease financial pressure, improve access to nutrition, and support better long-term health for all New Zealanders. Let’s push for tax policy that puts people’s wellbeing first. Sign the petition and help make real change happen.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

I have mixed emotions over all this.

To start, I agree, flat taxes are regressive and a bad way to tax people.

However, NZ gets a lot of tourists and GST is an effective way to collect money from them to fund the things they use. You could say just tax them directly, but I think a $1000 entry fee would put off many tourists that otherwise would come here and happily pay that much GST in their spending.

We also have no true capital gains tax. Without this, GST is practically the only way we get tax from the ultra wealthy, right?

So instead we could leave GST alone and provide subsidies to make fresh food cheaper, but that seems to also be making the system more complex by balancing tax collection against subsidies for the same thing, and also creating a whole chain of questions about where the subsidies go. Do we give them to potato farmers that then get pressured for cheaper prices from the duopoly, who don't pass along the full discount and end up subsidising their profits? (This will likely happen with removing GST too, but we won't have to work out which farmers get subsidies and which don't). If we subsidise farmers then we also subsidise overseas consumers that they sell to.

So do we just hand cash to supermarkets to make certain products cheaper? This seems more complex than just removing GST.

I have no view on what's the right thing here because it seems complex and like there might not be a right answer. But I am curious how subsidies would work in practice.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

We also have no true capital gains tax. Without this, GST is practically the only way we get tax from the ultra wealthy, right?

The solution here is for our politicians to collectively grow a pair and pass a capital gains tax, possibly a wealth tax as well.

I've heard a few similar arguments, that go along the lines of X is the next best thing to a capital gains tax, and my response every time is... Why not just enact the tax then?

Honestly, it's embarrassing.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

No, land value tax. CGT hits all investments like start ups and enterprise. We want more of that, not less. Investment in land, on the other hand, is strangling the nation. Economically and socially. Land can’t be offshored or hidden in the Seychelles. Tax the shit out of land and watch house prices and rent tumble. It also encourages efficient use of land, meaning we see higher density housing close to industrial hubs. This means more affordable and more efficient public transport, and more people able to live closer to work.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TOP has proposed a 0.75% LVT, as part of their tax policy.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I am dismayed how they continue to poll. Most of their policies seem so common sense. I guess what rules NZ politics now is "will they make my house price go up?"

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Evidence based policy, as a core principal... Got me very interested., so I vote finds them.

It took the greens a few elections to get in... TOP will get there.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TOP just don't seem to know how to sell their ideas to the public.

Also, people vote for ideas and personalities, not policy. Policy is boring and almost nobody reads it.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

This is true; you have to be able to tell a good story.

It helps if the story teller is charming....but as ACT shows it is not a requirement.

One of TOP's problems is it seems like the party of the highly educated. But their policies are helpful for everyone...they have a communication problem, not a policy problem.

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