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[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Slaves

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I believe the most recent understanding is that the builders would have been paid, actually.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We have the receipts and the village for the artisans. While it was difficult work they were well taken care of and well compensated.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So are/were a lot of slaves.

Being forced to do something with room and board is just slavery with a justification.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They have the receipts for their incomes and weren't listed as slaves by the the Egyptian state at the time.

They weren't forced they were hired.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That’s a distinction without a difference.

Slaves were bought as well, they have receipts as well, it’s just a way to make it “legal”. Even though the end purpose is the same.

Just because you’re paid and have a room, doesn’t remove the forced aspect of it, do you think they were free to say no and be able to do something else?

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why would you pay slaves?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Why would you pay slaves?

Slaves in most of history receive payment - and considering that the payment in this discussion is in bread and beer...?

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

To make it not seem like slavery and give them more motivation.

Oh hey, yeah you’re totally not slaves, you can buy your freedom in 25 years, but how many make it that far as well.

Why not pay slaves, the money is all yours and comes right back. So why not in that situation?

Were they free to say no and do something else? You didn’t answer this question.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

So you refuse to update your understanding because they HAD TO USE slaves.

Edit: other wise you don't see how people could have been employed in the ancient world.

Such a weak argument there.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

No, I’m saying they’re trying to make something potentially just as wrong seem okay with a justification, and some people eat it up. They had no other option, that’s by definition slavery still, no matter the “white washing”.

Were they or were they not forced? Why are you avoiding this question?

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I believe the difference is being forced, they didn’t have another option, to say no to laboring was to be turned into the slave chaste regardless. Slavery by other means, is still slavery.

What about being forced into this that makes it slavery that’s so hard for you to comprehend here?

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They did though.

Have you read anything recent about this because you sound like the shit I was told in the 90's

Edit: another commentor points to sources https://lemmy.world/comment/18267829

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ancient Egyptians were able to sell themselves and children into slavery in a form of bonded labor.

Were they? Got anything to support that? They even use the term slavery for their labor…

Edit, oh man… bad look…

Several departments in the Ancient Egyptian government were able to draft workers from the general population to work for the state with a corvée labor system. The laborers were conscripted for projects such as military expeditions, mining and quarrying, and construction projects for the state. These slaves were paid a wage, depending on their skill level and social status for their work

They even say they pay their slaves.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Drafted doesn't mean slavery chuckles.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

How does it not? Being drafted means the government or pharaoh owns you. Do they have any other option as a laborer or slave already?

Do you not know what the term “Slave” actually means?

Because you seem to have ignored the “forced” aspect every step of the way here.

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wonder if, because that's how most of the world got things done for a little bit, we retroactively apply slavery as the only solution to how the ancients got stuff done?

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Thats only part of the answer. There were slves in Egypt, everyone had them. They just weren't the labour pool for the pyramids as all the recently uncovered (last couple of decades) records indicate.

[–] original_charles@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

The vast majority of people who built the pyramids were paid laborers.

Source

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Nope, well paid workers who got vacation time and sick pay for such horrible conditions "stung by scorpion” (probably a metaphor for hangover), “bleeding wife” (wife on her period).