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TLDR: Drug dealers in Catalonia have started to adopt GrapheneOS en masse leading to Catalan police suspecting anyone with a Google Pixel is a drug dealer

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[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 month ago (25 children)

They're mad they can't use cellbrite to snoop on properly configured GOS phones and that they actually have to do real police work to catch drug dealers

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 40 points 1 month ago (24 children)

Yes. They (cellebrite) don't mention GrapheneOS support very loudly because it's poor. They can't decrypt one that's BFU (Before First Unlock), not even by brute force if it's a 6 digit passcode apparently. Don't know if they can get data from an AFU GOS pixel. A year ago when their internal docs leaked, they also had no support for latest iOS at the time, but had brute force support for older versions as long as phone itself wasn't too new and had AFU access without brute force for even older versions.

Moral of the story: if there's a chance police might take your phone to investigate for a crime you hopefully didn't even commit, shut down your phone completely - the 5x power button trick on iOS disables biometric unlock, but the device itself stays decrypted and thus more vulnerable. Also keep your OS up to date.

If you've got a phone that's neither iOS nor GrapheneOS, it's probably pretty much Swiss cheese anyway. IOS isn't as good as GrapheneOS either, but it offers some protection against Cellebrite if up to date and BFU. But if they keep your phone for long enough (months, years), they'll get it unlocked because you can't install updates that would patch any newly discovered vulnerabilities and one day they'll find a BFU unlock for it, probably.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Does a full shutdown encrypt all contents on iOS? This is something that everyone entering the USA as I have to do annually needs to think about.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes, but customs can still compel you to unlock your phone as we have recently seen with the Norweigan tourist who was denied entry due to having a JD Vance meme on his phone.

I would recommend having a separate phone with non-important data on it to take with you to the US, or have a self hosted cloud service that you can backup your data to before wiping your device.

You essentially don't have rights at the border (or in general with the current US government).

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You either unlock it or we send you back.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Can they really deport a US citizen?

Other countries can. But technically, the US government cannot deny a US citizen access.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Are they allowed to? Absolutely not. But... who is stopping them?

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Threatening to detain you indefinitely (your rights aren't the same at the border/customs as they are after entering the country), or just outright deny you entry.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I heard they can't actually hold you more than a couple days if you are a citizen./?

That's after you go through customs. AFAIK, that doesn't apply to people coming into the country.

Although this administration holds people more than 48 hours regardless.

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