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End to End Encryption doesn't matter if there is a spying agent running on both ends of the conversation (infosec.pub)
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Any platform that says it's end to end (E2E) encrypted, but has spam detection, adult content detection, fraud detection, etc is being creative with the E2E concept

The only way these filters are possible are because

  • 1 A central service can view the messages
  • 2 A "agent" such as a LLM is running on every device scanning messages and phoning home to a central service when it's triggered.

In either scenario the message autonomy and self-agency has been removed from the End users. Having a point to point secure audio bridge is nice, but useless if every call has to be attended by a political officer.

If you care about end to end encryption please use a open source program that has been audited, doesn't have local tattle agents running on your device, and gives you control of your own data.

i.e. https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/

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[–] SEND_BUTTPLUG_PICS@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

That's pretty cool that Signal has an option for that, I had no idea.

I would like to run an OS other than the one that shipped with my device but I don't think there are many options that are supported and TBH I probably don't need a separate device just for private communication. I do value privacy but I also don't have much to hide so I'm not super concerned at the moment though it's good to know for the future in case that changes.