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End to End Encryption doesn't matter if there is a spying agent running on both ends of the conversation (infosec.pub)
submitted 1 month ago by jet@hackertalks.com to c/applied_paranoia@dubvee.org
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Any platform that says it's end to end (E2E) encrypted, but has spam detection, adult content detection, fraud detection, etc is being creative with the E2E concept

The only way these filters are possible are because

  • 1 A central service can view the messages
  • 2 A "agent" such as a LLM is running on every device scanning messages and phoning home to a central service when it's triggered.

In either scenario the message autonomy and self-agency has been removed from the End users. Having a point to point secure audio bridge is nice, but useless if every call has to be attended by a political officer.

If you care about end to end encryption please use a open source program that has been audited, doesn't have local tattle agents running on your device, and gives you control of your own data.

i.e. https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 month ago

Great talk by techlore on whatsapp https://youtu.be/vgVI5Ba9Trc

He brings up a great point - if the "backups" of a end-to-end app are not encrypted... that the whole exercise is also moot.