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Considering China is a capitalist state much like America, not sure!
Damn where is America imprisoning and executing billionaires alongside harsh anti corruption campaigns in the government, maybe I'll move there
I don't care if they're holding people accountable for corruption. Why does a country supposably aiming for socialism have BILLIONAIRES in the FIRST PLACE??
They have them as a byproduct of Deng's reforms which allowed rapid development of the means of production, they need to be managed of course and suppressed by the people's democratic dictatorship, which they are. Eventually development will reach the point where they are no longer useful and can be fully done away with.
it was either embrace partial capitalism or get strangled out of the world economy. Deng's reforms brought a massive influx of foreign investment and expertise.
Lol fucking NORWAY is less capitalist than China.
The wealth of Norway depends on the imperialist white supremacist settler colonial extractive ventures of the West. The wealth of China does not. Simple as.
This isn't about wealth. Does Norway have 12 year olds in factories? Tell me why Norway gives workers 3x more paid time off? Don't you think China's rich enough to make things better for workers?
Literally yes, in third world countries.
They can afford to without the threat of economic domination by burgerstan, also see point 1 above.
China also is making things better for workers, moreso than America or even the declining Nordic states.
Oh I see, China can't afford human rights
Oh I see, human rights abuses are fine so long as you export them to non white countries.
Which China totally doesn't do too. FYI I'm not saying Norway is good.
You literally were saying that Norway was better because it exports its human rights abuses.
Marginally better =/= good.
So? You're still saying that human rights abuses are better when you export them into non-whites.
Show me where I said that.
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I take it you're turning into a corncob
Wtf since when was giving workers less paid time off as a state under siege than one of the richest imperialist profiteers a "violation of human rights".
By what metric?
They've made infinitly more progress eliminating billionaires than your flavour of socialism has
Dogmatism and ideological purity are blinding you. It certainly should be a conversation about why billionaires exist in China, especially as they strengthen their safeguards against capital flight, but their existence alone does not discredit the great strides of progress China has made under SwCC in under a century. There are few examples of such a large mass of people seeing such substantive improvements in their lives. No matter the system, such dramatic change will result in unforseen consequences because there is so much change occuring. The measure of the response though is what is important: protecting themselves from capital flight, placing party leadership within corporations, focusing on carbon reduction through reduced pollution, tree planting, and alternative energy sources are all measurable ways the government is correcting. Where else do you see such response by those in power for their citizens? The Chinese approval for their government is incredibly high, and this is why
Have you done any reading on Socialism with Chinese characteristics?
Have you read "On the Governance of China"?
Profits of a corporation benefit its shareholders, usually concentrated to very few individuals.
Who are the beneficiaries when the profits go to the state?
Capitalism is when you execute capitalists for undermining the will of the state
from https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/