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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Wait why are democrats fighting him? I thought he was socialist or something

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 139 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Democrats aren't fighting him, the DNC (Democratic National Convention) is. The party doesn't want him as their representative, because he doesn't match their values. But he represents what the Democrat constituents actually want and the DNC fears losing control over their constituents, so they want to ensure he loses the race.

The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it. The US doesn't actually have a left-wing party. Both our major parties are right-wing by global standards. So any truly left-wing candidates scare them, and they'll fight tooth and nail to keep them out of elections.

Even Cuomo, who was completely stomped in the primaries, is still planning to run in the election as an independent. Their hope is that his run will split the party and make Mamdani lose. If the Democratic Party can't get their man in the election, then they'll throw the race and take everyone down with them.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 83 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it.

The old RNC. The new Republicans have taken over and actually do want all the fascist hateful stuff. The old guard courted crazies and those crazies took over.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True. The more right the DNC leans, the more extremist right the RNC leans, to differentiates themselves from Democrats.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Which, fuckin' honestly, should be an object lesson for anyone who wants to advance progressive politics in this country. Engage in primary after primary and take over the party from within until the old guard are appalled at what it has become, except do that with good goals instead of horrifying ones.

And remember that by the time the election itself is at hand, it's too late to make meaningful change in the party platform. The primaries are what actually matter when it comes to changing course. Everything after that, it's just a binary choice between which of the major candidates you actually want in power.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

I mean the difference is that the old RNC deliberately invited the vampire inside, thinking they could control them. They were supposed to be useful idiots to get extra votes. They were wrong and lost control.

The DNC recognizes that if they ever actually gave the people power they'd never get it back. So they're much more diligent about denying any possible progressive advancement, up to and including damaging their own party to do so.

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's actually the exact reason democrats are fighting him.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And he's probably not even particularly left.

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[–] Grail@aussie.zone 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's popular with the voters. He's going to stomp New York, and then he'll start looking at the presidency. And he might win that, too. And then they'd have to pass bills, and their donors would be mad.

They'd rather run bad candidates and lose.

[–] leaf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mamdani would mop the floor with Trump.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

I was about to say that Trump has already been elected twice, and then I remembered that that's not going to stop him.

[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly if you put the DNC in other countries they wouldn't be considered left.

Even the UK who's current "left" PM is actually extremely centre, but compare the DNC to him they would still be more right than him.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

In any other country they'd be the conservative party.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He said billionaires shouldn't exist. If billionaires didn't exist who would fund their campaigns running on platforms that allow billionaires to hoard wealth unimpeded?

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah but like... Fuck billionaires. A billion dollars is 50,000/yr for 20,000 years.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (40 children)

Now do you believe people when they say they have a 2 party system with Republicans vs ~~Democrats~~ other republicans?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mamdani is a Democrat, you're calling Mamdani controlled opposition.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mamdani is a Democrat

Tell that to the DNC

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

The DNC are the ones who informed me.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They aren't, Mamdani is the representative on the DNC ticket and has been congratulated by many members of the DNC. He swept every district in the primary election.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Hakeem Jefferies went on television literally yesterday and said he wasn't willing to endorse Mamdani. Schumer hasn't endorsed either. Generally speaking, when a politician from your own party releases a statement, "congratulating," you instead of endorsing you, it's considered a slight.

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