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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (8 children)

But the actual process of an AI system distilling from thousands of written works to be able to produce its own passages of text qualified as “fair use” under U.S. copyright law because it was “quintessentially transformative,” Alsup wrote.

Thats the actual argument and the judge is right here. LLMs are transformative in every sense of the word. The technology is even called "transformers".

[–] Leesi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Fallacious argument.

Something that can't generate wine glass full to the brim without a band-aid fix is far from "transformative." Even if it were:

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work.

More like obfuscated plagiarism.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Nope I'm literally a data programmer working in this field. Any sufficiently transformed data even coming from hard copyright is transformative work and currently LLMs meet this criteria and will continue to do so. Wanna bet?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It depends on your definition of "is". In reality it depends on the original art and how it's transformed. But legally it's whatever benefits capital (aka your boss). I wouldn't bet against your boss paying off the courts, lawyers, etc.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ok so if I don't generate capital from it theres no crime? You can see how the original argument that all copying is copyright breach. Then you can infinitely dig into this - is my monitor copying pixels on my screen copying? What about the browser cache? So copyright can only be argued from the pov that breach has to be capital generating or direct damage creating like using that data for libel or something.

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